Suggestion for DVD Filters? - Page 2

kwag · #21 03-19-2003, 08:33 AM

Hi Jim,

The problem is present even if you use PeachSmother only in your script. I tried stripping out every other filter, and just using peach, and the effect is still present.
It's definitely a problem with the filter

-kwag

jamesp · #22 03-19-2003, 09:02 AM

Oh well

The hunt for the best filter continues!

With those two clips, Peachsmoother definately looked the most natural, if you ignore the dancing hair

I find spacedust doesn't look that great. FaeryDust is great on its own with no other filters but is slow. Fluxsmooth makes eveything a little blurry. Ive never tried convolution3D - i'll try that one next.

Have you contacted the author of peach about the problem? if not i'll contact him through doom9 forums.

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Hi Jim,

The problem is present even if you use PeachSmother only in your script. I tried stripping out every other filter, and just using peach, and the effect is still present.
It's definitely a problem with the filter

-kwag

kwag · #23 03-19-2003, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Have you contacted the author of peach about the problem? if not i'll contact him through doom9 forums.

Jim

No I haven't contacted him. Please do so

Point him here so he can see what's happening

-kwag

dazedconfused · #24 03-19-2003, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Thanks so much dazed&confused for pointing this out

-kwag

No problem-o at all Kwag.

I'm glad that I was actually able to help you out for a change! (Guess there's a first time for everything).

-d&c

kwag · #25 03-19-2003, 04:01 PM

Hi dazed&confused,

Here's the sample you sent me, so everyone can see the same effect on your clip: http://www.kvcd.net/PeachFlaw-head-nod.m1v

-kwag

jamesp · #26 03-21-2003, 04:51 AM

Kwag,

I've just tried Convolution3d (Preset=Movielq). The results look excellent and compressablitly is very good. Looking at the results it looks far more natural than SpaceDust or Peach. Have you tried this filter yet?

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Oh well

The hunt for the best filter continues!

With those two clips, Peachsmoother definately looked the most natural, if you ignore the dancing hair

I find spacedust doesn't look that great. FaeryDust is great on its own with no other filters but is slow. Fluxsmooth makes eveything a little blurry. Ive never tried convolution3D - i'll try that one next.

Have you contacted the author of peach about the problem? if not i'll contact him through doom9 forums.

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Hi Jim,

The problem is present even if you use PeachSmother only in your script. I tried stripping out every other filter, and just using peach, and the effect is still present.
It's definitely a problem with the filter

-kwag

kwag · #27 03-21-2003, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Kwag,

I've just tried Convolution3d (Preset=Movielq). The results look excellent and compressablitly is very good. Looking at the results it looks far more natural than SpaceDust or Peach. Have you tried this filter yet?

Jim

I had tried it, but didn't pay too much attention, because the focus was mainly with Space/C3D(HQ)/Flux, etc.
I'll try it later today

-kwag

jamesp · #28 03-21-2003, 11:31 AM

I'll post later tonight - i'm doing a comparison of most of the major filters we all use, it will chart compressability and quality to my eye!

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Kwag,

I've just tried Convolution3d (Preset=Movielq). The results look excellent and compressablitly is very good. Looking at the results it looks far more natural than SpaceDust or Peach. Have you tried this filter yet?

Jim

I had tried it, but didn't pay too much attention, because the focus was mainly with Space/C3D(HQ)/Flux, etc.
I'll try it later today

-kwag

kwag · #29 03-21-2003, 12:04 PM

Hi Jim,

Remember that using C3D, the final file size will be larger than using SpaceDust

-kwag

jamesp · #30 03-24-2003, 10:16 AM

I got a reply from the guy who wrote peachsmoother. He writes:

You’re seeing the standard behavior where the Peach is really, really sure that there’s no motion. Usually that means the noise estimate is off — Take a look at the docs on the “dot” option and on the “I’m seeing lots of blurring...” question.

__________________
9 Lindsey Dubb

Looks like thats just the way peachsmoother works.

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Have you contacted the author of peach about the problem? if not i'll contact him through doom9 forums.

Jim

No I haven't contacted him. Please do so

Point him here so he can see what's happening

-kwag

KingTuk · #31 03-24-2003, 10:52 AM

so if these settings were used and people were getting stationary or slow moving hair...

PeachSmoother(NoiseReduction=45,Stability=15,Spati al=70,NoiseLevel=4.8,Baseline=3.2)

To fix the problem...
Could you just lower the baseline or have the baseline set to zero?

kwag · #32 03-24-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingTuk

To fix the problem...
Could you just lower the baseline or have the baseline set to zero?

Same problem, even with baseline=0.

-kwag

dazedconfused · #33 03-28-2003, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Looks like thats just the way peachsmoother works.

Jim

Unfortunately, that's my final conclusion on this filter too...based on Lindsey's response to your post over at doom9, I decided to give Peach another shot, first having a good read through the docs and then playing with all the various settings. Nothing eliminated the described problem though. Kwag was right on the money when he said it just seems to be an inherent flaw with how Peach handles movement. Too bad. I wonder if Lindsey even looked at the samples posted in this thread

Surely if he knew that no amount of settings-changes within his filter could cure this problem behavior, then he'd want to take a 2nd look at the Peach's "pit" wouldn't he?

But then again I'm sure he's a very busy guy too.

When oh when is Steady gonna release a new and improved version of Dust? We're all dying for an update

-d&c

jorel · #34 03-28-2003, 12:43 AM

.....
talking about busy guys and good filters.....

where is Sansgrip

and please, what filters you all are using now?

dazedconfused · #35 03-28-2003, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

.....
talking about busy guys and good filters.....

where is Sansgrip

and please, what filters you all are using now?

Good question Jorel...I think everybody wishes he'd pop his head in and say hi around here a bit more often (he's a very esteemed member of this board and we all benefit from his insight...did anyone else hear the sound of my lips puckering on that a** kiss!

). Hopefully life is treating him well...hey, maybe he's even working on THE PERFECT FILTER

.

Pretty soon we'll all be fitting the entire Star Wars saga on 1 disc with the x3 template...

My current script of choice looks like this:

Code:

Mpeg2Source("F:\movie.d2v")
Telecide()
Decimate()
LegalClip()
GripCrop(width=544, height=480, overscan=2) #my player needs 544x rez#
GripSize()  #or Gripsize(resizer="lanczosresize") for extra sharpness#
MergeLuma(blur(.25))  #but the lower the better, if/when possible#
MergeChroma(blur(1.2))
FaeryDust()  #or SpaceDust() for speedier encoding and > compression#
TemporalCleaner() 
DctFilter(1,1,1,1,1,.5,.5,0)
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

Cheers,

-d&c

jorel · #36 03-28-2003, 03:24 AM

friend dazed&confused

i will do a sample with your script .

thank you!

someone more?

ps:
dazed&confused is one music of the first "ledzep" album
and in "the song remains the same" movie!
very

music.

jamesp · #37 03-28-2003, 04:29 AM

Sadly, it looks like very few people are developing their filters anymore. Vlad (who wrote convolution3d and ported TemporalCleaner) says he has no time anymore. Lindsay Dubb has no time to develop peach and steady hasn't been seem for ages so there is no news on Dust. And sadly, Sansgrip looks like he's even too busy to pop in here from time to time, let alone develop any filters. I suppose that real life always takes over in the end, and people have to get back to their lives and families.......

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

.....
talking about busy guys and good filters.....

where is Sansgrip

and please, what filters you all are using now?

syk2c11 · #38 05-19-2003, 11:30 AM

Hi there,
It's been quite a while. Does anyone has any suggestions for KDVD's filters, I am interested in latest script for clean DVD source. I have been using LegalClip + Mergechroma(blur(1.5)) + SpaceDust() as suggested by Kwag long time ago. Any suggestions please!

kwag · #39 05-19-2003, 12:46 PM

Hi syk2c11,

Check the current script section

-kwag

syk2c11 · #40 05-19-2003, 08:12 PM

Hi Kwag,
Are those latest scripts suitable for KDVD full-D1, I remember you had said that KDVD full-D1 does not required that heavy filtering. Please advise.