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i encoded my first kvcd (352x240) and was shocked to get a quality 500 meg movie. I noticed it did "processing inverse telecine" at the beginning, which took a LONG time. I guess what I ended up w/ was 23.99 fps and It plays great in my apex 2100 (most everything does). But in my toshiba DVD 2201
The movie plays too fast, kinda like in seacrh/FF.. Both the audio and the video play fast. could theis be becuase the framerate is too low? maybe it needs to be 29.9xx (i forget) ...
I seen a lot of posts here about framerates and telecine, but nobody seems to have mentioned a movie playing at wrong speed...

Thanks

Could it be that you encoded the audio at 48Khz instead of 44.1Khz

-kwag

I dont think so, im encoding it again, the only thing i changed is the framerate and this is pasted from the bottom of tempgenc:

MPEG-1 352x240 29.97fps CQ 70, Layer-2 44100Hz 128kbps

last time was at 23.9x framerate

hopefully, Ill know in a few hours (well, maybe more than a few)

Now Im really confused because it did the inverse telecine thing again (much faster tho) and after I started I noticed the convert to 24 fps box is checked,
but as I ran the wizard I changed the framerate to 29.97 so I guess its working redundantly? I woulda stopped it but its 30% done, I guess I'll soon see.

BTW thanks for answering, and a big thanks for your hard work on these templates. I for one really am grateful you share your work and expertise with me and all of us

sigh,

The new one at 29.97 fps does the same thing. Plays great in my apex, but in the toshiba it starts fine after about a min. or less it speeds up, looks like its playing at double speed... back to the drawing board.

Nobody else has experienced this?

hi friend Fred|Flintstone

i really search about your problem.
a good idea is turn 48k to 44.1k like Kwag post here.
i don't have the toshiba player,but in some templates,i got problems using 48k. is better do a test with a little sample.

this is the Compatibility Test ,and can help a lot,read and download please:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2464

i search and found this 2 links:

the first, is called "Compatible Models" but you model "toshiba DVD 2201"
maybe is newest,but the link is a good referencetoo big)
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....oshiba&start=0

and the second is the thread called "standalone dvd/vcd players",
is a big reference too:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=13

post the result,please!

ps:
is really a good idea turn 48k to 44.1k first, if it don't work,
download the "compatible models test" and burn,is fast and you will see what template/resolution work in your player.

hi,
I succesfully found more settings that do not work so, I guess, I'm narrowing it down (grin).
I have sucessfully played dozens of vcds on that toshiba so I'm sure sooner or later I'll get it right. (sooner I hope). I know it will not play SVCDs even w/ that header "trick".

I have been encoding the audio at 44.1 khz, as i said in a prev message. I never seperated the audio from the video, It seems too complicated a process for me at the moment. I run the template, press stop, select system video+audio and hit start. ( I listen thru 3" TV speakers anyway.)
The video and audio are in sync, they just both play too fast...

I downloaded the nero compatability image, and I will try it..
I'll let you know soon.
I do kinda find it hard to believe I'm the first one w/ this problem though,
but well hopefully after solving it , We can save somebody from burning all the coasters I have been.

Thankx for the assistance
ps Jorel, I'm honored you call me friend

@ Fred|Flintstone

kidding but serious true:

i'm not Barney,
but want to be your best friend here!


ps:
i'm waiting your answer about " nero compatability image ".

First, I updated my profile, I didnt realize that it would put a button on all my posts to that picture, sorry to anybody offended. I just thought it was funny thing to stick in profile.

I ran the nero test, at first glance it seems the first 3 play (354x240) the bottom 3 are green. (on the toshiba) I kinda expected this as, the toshiba as I got it from the store didnt play nothing but dvds, VCDhELP.COM had some obscure combination of keys u pressed in the remotes and it now plays vcd 1.x and vcd 2.0 standards.

On my apex, all but #6 played perfectly. I imagine the change to 544x480 will fix that.

back to the toshiba, i said at first glance becuase the clips are so short. After playing repeatedly, I noticed that as Jerry Heads thru the door, it jumps like a scratched record till he comes out , and fixes itself just as he speaks. This happens exactly the same on all 3 clips.

This prompted me to test different vbr settings, like min = 600, 800
max =1200 1400 ect.

I have come to the conclusion that this player will not correctly play back vbr mpeg files

watching my previous movie a little longer, the problem was the same.
speeds up, pauses, gets jerky ect...


oh well,
time to smash the drawing board...

Fred is a moron...


The player is a zenith DVD 2201
not a toshiba

you are really Fred|Flintstone my friend!



regards...Barney!

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