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07-25-2003, 10:45 PM
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Hello jorel and Kwag and all you guys who tried to help me with my
problem!

I took some time to process all the info that you kept giving me and began
to read as many threads as I could find relating to my problem anyway I
came across avalons guide and his filter zip file on his site and I finnaly
dont get no errors in avisynth...wahoo! :yippie:

Too many filters and with differant vertions kept me confused I had them
all mixed up but now I have a new problem can someone tell me the full
process of file prediction mayby a step by step, I tried to use Moviestacker
to find the average bitrate but I dont understand how it works with
CQmatic?

This is what I did:

I followed Avalons guide to the letter (Fantastic guide avalon!)
the guide was CQMatic basic anyway everything works fine until I get to
the part where I load my avs script into CQMatic(1.0 beta6) I start the
prediction with the avarage biterate for video I found in Moviestacker and
added the time of movie in minutes (how do you compisate for seconds?)

This is my first encode with CQMatic so if im doing something wrong
please let me know...Tomorro I will post my results.

Movie=1:25:26 time in min=85
Moviestacker 2 beta3=Movie.d2v=time in min=68min 23sec and
avg biterate=1475 audio was 128kb

The template I used in TMPGenc:
KVCD-CQ-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf
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MaxPower:

A couple of questions/suggestions:
1.- Please use the latest version 1.0 Release Candidate 2 (RC-2) July 25, 2003.
2.- Did you set your max min at Tmpegenc? Max is 2,000, if you are using the latest optimal script. The min is the average bit rate from Moviestacker X .57. (Just in case I am not explaining this correctly, if your Moviestacker average bit rate is 1000, then your minimun bit rate at Tmpgenc becomes: (1000 X .57, or 570)
3.- Please read kwags notes regarding some settings at Tmpgenc. You will find the latest version and the notes here:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5145&start=0
4.- In Cqmatic, you need to set 2 values and load 1 file. Enter the time in minutes (I usually round up), that you will find on the first section of moviestacker, and the average bit rate, that you will find there as well (moviestacker)
5.- If you have followed Avalon's great guide, then you have already created and saved your .prt file. This is the file that should be loaded into moviestacker.
6.- Once you load the .prt file, then hit execute to either encode or predict. (See kwags instructions on the post quoted above.

Hope that I did not confuse you at all with my notes. I am going by memory here, but I have read a post that is addressing all of this step by step. Let me look for it and I will post it here as well.
Found it at this link:
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I believe that with the post mention just above, Avalon's guide and kwag's notes you may not go wrong.
Hope this helps
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07-26-2003, 07:26 AM
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Please use the latest version 1.0 Release Candidate 2 (RC-2) July 25, 2003
seems I downloaded the wrong one

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Did you set your max min at Tmpegenc? Max is 2,000, if you are using the latest optimal script
Im doing this as I write, the bitrate I got from Moviestacker was 1475 so
I should multiply this with .57 and use the result (840.75) as my min
bitrate in TMPGenc under (Rate control mode) and max 2000...Is this correct?

Q: What options do I need selected in Moviestacker?
Q: What number do I use in CQMatic for bitrate 840.75 or 1475?

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If you have followed Avalon's great guide, then you have already created and saved your .prt file.
I read it was suposed to be my d2v file that I use in moviestacker or am I
reading it wrong.

Thanks for the help I will do what you say but if you could answer my
questions above that would be great.
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07-26-2003, 09:18 AM
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Hello Max Powers:

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Im doing this as I write, the bitrate I got from Moviestacker was 1475 so I should multiply this with .57 and use the result (840.75) as my min bitrate in TMPGenc under (Rate control mode) and max 2000...Is this correct?
Yes. These are the TMPGenc numbers that you should use for Max and Min bit rates.
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Q: What options do I need selected in Moviestacker?
There are 3 items you should obtain from moviestacker:
* average bit rate, which you should use in both TMPGenc ( your 840 one) and QCmatic (your 1475)
* gripfit values (modify the gripcrop line in optimal script with this one)
* length of film.
You should load the type of resolution you want. This is described on both Oxide's detailed steps, and Avalon's guide..
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Q: What number do I use in CQMatic for bitrate 840.75 or 1475?
1475
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I read it was suposed to be my d2v file that I use in moviestacker or am I reading it wrong.
The input to moviestacker is the d2v file that comes from dvd2avi.
CQmatic input is the one coming from TMPgenc, that is the .tpr file.

What I have done is to print Avalon's guide, as well as other pertinent posts, read them several times, and then perform the QCmatic real live steps, after several cold runs, to make sure that I had the proper settings; and even then, I had problems that I was able to resolve by reading the posts, asking questions and experimenting. The learning curve, in my case, was long, had computer problems, virues, and lack of understanding, but so far, and thanks to kwag, vhelp, black prince, jorel, D&C and many others, I am able to work w/ QCmatic, which is a relatively a brand new program.
In addition, most, if not all of the detailed steps are in the three posts/guides mentioned earlier: kwags notes, Avalon's guide ande oxide's detailed steps. Print them, if you have not already done it, and use them as your guide.

Hope this helps. Regards

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07-26-2003, 09:34 AM
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I now edit my Guide for better understanding. In the basic Version are some Bugs... So I only keep the Advanced Version. So hang on and see what I do ...



Here the last Guide for CQMatic

Last Guide


It seems that I have little server problems ...
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07-26-2003, 10:10 AM
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Avalon:

It appears that you still have server problems. I can't dl your guide. I will try it later.

Thanks

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07-26-2003, 10:37 AM
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So I have still problems with my Austria Server. So I desided to upload a mirror of my site on trypod. Sorry for the advertisements they will apear ...

http://members.lycos.co.uk/dcdvideo/
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07-26-2003, 12:18 PM
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Ok this is my log from my prediction:

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.0 RC-2
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.

Ready!
Project: C:\Documents and Settings\Max Powers\Desktop\Filters\kvcdtemplate2.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr


Execute.
Movie Time: 85
Average Bitrate: 1475
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Using CQ of 60.00
Encoder started...
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
Last CQ = 60.000000
Current CQ = 90.000000
CQ difference = 30.000000
Using CQ of 90.00
Encoder started...
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
CQ ABOVE watermark. CQ set to 90.0
Using CQ of 90.00
CQMatic complete!

How do I know if it will fit in one cd?

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Avalone I cant download your new guide
Quote:
* gripfit values (modify the gripcrop line in optimal script with this one)
* length of film.
Could you explaine this part not sure I understand?

Thanks guys you have been most helpful, avalon did you change your
guide if so what changes I cant download the new one?

I continue to read all these you post and follow your directions will let you
know of my results from the prediction above.
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07-26-2003, 09:31 PM
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Ok im done and after checking my final mpeg came out 809mb, I opened
it in nero to burn but it would not fit on 1 cd.

Then I decided to wach the movie and half way trough the audio just stops
this the first time I come across this problem.

Any one know why I would get this problem maybe I do something wrong?

Avalone your guide is back up so I will try with your advanced guide and
post my results tomorro.
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07-26-2003, 11:05 PM
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I forgot to mention when I tried to encode before I an iliegal stream error
from TMPGenc but clicked ok and it started to encode anyway so I never
botherd to mention it, any way it gave me same error and just like before
its curently encoding...I used hedac3 this time so hopefully no problems

Q:When I set up TMPGenc its just video then muse with bbmpeg or no?
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07-27-2003, 09:21 AM
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Everything is perfect only my movie after mused with bbmpeg is 836mb
but when I open it with nero burning rom it is a little under 750 mega bites

My cdr are 80min 700 megabites is there a way I can burn this or did I do
something wrong again?

Please help me video quality is fantastic its the size that keeps killing me.

Video before being mused is 746 megabites and audio before being mused
is 78.2 megabites

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.0 RC-2
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.

Ready!
Project: C:\Documents and Settings\Max Powers\Desktop\Filters\pleasework.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr


Execute.
Movie Time: 85
Average Bitrate: 1475
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Using CQ of 60.00
Encoder started...
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
Last CQ = 60.000000
Current CQ = 90.000000
CQ difference = 30.000000
Using CQ of 90.00
Encoder started...
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
CQ ABOVE watermark. CQ set to 90.0
Using CQ of 90.00
CQMatic complete!
Execute.
Movie Time: 85
Average Bitrate: 1475
Full Encode mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Using CQ of 0.00
User CQ too LOW!. CQ adjusted.
Using CQ of 55.00
Encoder started...
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
Last CQ = 55.000000
Current CQ = 90.000000
CQ difference = 35.000000
Using CQ of 90.00
Encoder started...
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
CQ ABOVE watermark. CQ set to 90.0
Using CQ of 90.00
Encoding set to Full encode.
Full encode start...
CQMatic complete!
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07-27-2003, 09:38 AM
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Max Powers,
did you mux using bbmpeg?
see the adjusts:

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2224

or better,try the new vhelp program called SLIM-G :

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5047&start=0

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07-27-2003, 10:39 AM
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@Max Powers,

What is the target path to your encoded file
Your log has errors. The line: File size difference = -20394062.000000 can NEVER be negative, so CQMatic is not finding the sample to calculate CQ, and that's why it's jumping to 90, which is incorrect.

-kwag
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07-27-2003, 12:21 PM
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Hello jorel nice to hear from you again

Yes I did use bbmpeg thanks for the link I will take a look at it.

Hello Kwag

Im not sure what destination path you need.

C:\Documents and Settings\Max Powers\Desktop\vcdg\kvcdtemplate.m1v

The above is the where TMPGenc saved the final movie after I used
cqmatic
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07-27-2003, 12:46 PM
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I tried it again with rc3 same result even after changing the directory to
save tpr text project and TMPGenc out put folder.

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.0 RC-3
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 13:36:53 Date: 07/27/2003
Ready!
Project: C:\Documents and Settings\Max Powers\Desktop\TMPGenc Projects\TPR Text Projects\KVCD-1-SH.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr


Execute.
Movie Time: 85
Average Bitrate: 1475
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Using CQ of 60.00
Process started at 13:37:38
On 07/27/2003
Encoder started...
Process time: 0.17 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
Last CQ = 60.000000
Current CQ = 90.000000
CQ difference = 30.000000
Using CQ of 90.00
Encoder started...
Process time: 0.18 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = -20394062.000000
CQ ABOVE watermark. CQ set to 90.0
Using CQ of 90.00
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 0.35
Process ended at 13:37:59
On 07/27/2003
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07-27-2003, 01:20 PM
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Kwag any ideas I dont know what else to try, I double checked my
avs and my d2v and cleared tmpgenc twice but still get the same error
by the way how do by looking at the log I posted how can you tell if it will
fit on one cd?
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My Guide is now updated ...


Check it out at

www.dcd.de.tf

Last CQMatic Guide
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thanks for the update Avalon!


more few things please:

change in HeasdAC3he the "downmix type" to
surround 2
and "channel mode" to
dual channel !

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07-27-2003, 02:03 PM
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Thans Avalon this is the guide I have been using but it seems Im not doing
something write with cqmatic and tmpgenc I dont get any sample file like
Kwag wrote in forum...any ideas please let me know.
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07-27-2003, 02:18 PM
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@Max Powers,

Could you put your projects and your target on a directory other than C:\Documents and Settings\Max Powers\Desktop\TMPGenc Projects\TPR Text Projects\KVCD-1-SH.tpr
Somewhere that there are no spaces in the filenames
I'm trying to figure out why I can't read your output file. That's the problem

-kwag
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