[SOLD] FS: Capture workflow, PC, TBC-1000, JVC S7600U, Sony Hi8

[leka4]

Everything being sold is located in the Los Angeles, California area (Glendale). The PC will capture NTSC or PAL, the VCR and Camcorder are NTSC format.

For sale is a complete analog video capture workflow with all components. It includes nearly everything you need to capture videos as the members on this site recommend. If you buy the equipment here, literally the only things you need to start capturing your analog video right away are your tapes, s-video and RCA cables, a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and your time.

Now that I am finished with capturing older video8 and VHS family movies, I want to sell the equipment I purchased. I followed the advice provided on this forum about the recommended computing and video equipment to a T and had excellent results overall. I spared no expense in procuring the equipment on this project as it was important to get the best quality captures and accumulated what is listed below in the process. You can be confident that the equipment will work as intended as it was very recently all put through its paces and performed great.

I am very tech savvy when it comes to PCs and building machines and this computer took an enormous amount of time to put together and build (far more than I'll admit). Time included researching the components on this site, finding and ordering the parts necessary, dealing with returns with parts that were not compatible, dealing with hours of troubleshooting of the 20 year old hardware, to installing windows XP, to install the XP drivers as supplied on this website without the benefit of an internet connection, to setup of the VirtualDub capture software exactly as instructed by Sanlyn on this site. Whoever the buyer of the machine is will be saving themselves a huge amount of time and frustration if you are interested in doing your analog captures "the right way" with the right hardware and software according to this site. Machine idles at 35 degrees C. Both hard drives when installed idle in the low 30s due to the fan in front of them.

PC:
PC is being sold immediately ready to capture. Everything you would have done on setting up virtualdub using the settings recommended on this site are already set.

- ASUS P5PE-VM, Intel 865G Micro-ATX, DDR 400, AGP 8X, Official Core 2 Duo processor support, SATA-1 and IDE ports. Installed BIOS version is 1501, which was the last/latest firmware released for the board.
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 LGA775 2.66GHz Dual Core Processor Conroe 65nm 4MB 65W. This was the second best CPU supported by the board other than the Core 2 Extreme X6800. After capturing dozens of tapes, I never observed virtualdub show the CPU usage leave the 6%-18% range. I think any faster of a processor would be pointless overkill for capture work.
- Official Intel heatsink/cooler w/ Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Paste (top quality stuff)
- 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR - 400 RAM - PNY brand
- ATI Radeon 9200 SE All in Wonder 128MB AGP w/ purple breakout box (S-Video/Composite/RCA Stereo Audio inputs). Technically this is a PAL tuner card, but this does not impact the capture playback as it captures correctly in NTSC using the theater 200 chip and bypasses the tuner. You cannot even use the tuner these days anyways. Note: has a VGA d-sub 15 monitor output.
- Hitachi HGST HDS728080PLAT20 80GB IDE/PATA Ultra-ATA 133 7,200 RPM CMR-Recording Hard Disk Drive (OS and capture software drive). Crystaldiskinfo SMART statistics data shows the drive is "Good".
- Seagate 2TB ST2000DM006 SATA 6gb/s 7,200 RPM CMR-recording Hard Disk drive, 64MB cache. This drive was purchased brand new for the machine a few months ago. Crystaldiskinfo SMART statistics shows the drive is "Good" with 68 power on counts and 240 hours of total power on time. It's basically new. Please note this drive is CMR, which offers better write performance than SMR technology drives.
- NEC DVD-RW ND-3520A PATA/IDE Optical drive
- Turtle Beach Santa Cruz PCI Sound Card - Hardware revision number is the newer F00, as opposed to the older E00 which I also saw when shopping. Sound card is connected internally to the ATI AIW capture card using a MPC-4 CD-ROM audio cable, which is the preferred option on this forum to wiring the sound.
- Antec P183 case. There are tons of reviews available for this case as it got a lot of press. No side window as it is focused on quiet computing. Wanted to make sure the cooling was appropriate, and when building the machine the original fans were either dead or on their way out/loud so I replaced them a few weeks ago with 3 Antec fans. There are three 120mm LED (white light) fans installed. One is at the front directly in front of the two hard drives to keep them cool. One on top. The other is at the rear near the CPU.
- SeaSonic M12II SS-430GM 430 W ATX12V - high quality PS. Comes with three prong US-spec power cord.
- Latest Windows XP Integral SP3 is installed and properly setup using the instructions and drivers provided on this site for the AIW Radeon and the TBSC sound card. Machine has never been connected to the internet. Although the hardware is ancient, the software is ancient too, so it runs very smooth and feels quick.
- Virtual Dub 1.9.11 (the version found on this site + filters) is setup using the detailed instructions provided by Sanlyn here:
digitalfaq.com/forum/showthread.php?p=45238
- Huffyuv v2.1.1 - CCESP Patch v0.2.2 is installed and was downloaded from this site
- Mediainfo and VLC player are tools you will likely need, those are installed.

The PC is very heavy and well built and will require a lot of packing to ship safely. It will be packed very well. The empty case without any components is 31 pounds. Again, if purchased locally I would be happy to walk you through the capture process with the machine and answer questions. Whether you buy local or I ship, what I am asking for is a steal compared to the amount of time you save in not putting it together yourself. Between beginning to research what PC components you need using this site to capturing your very first second of footage in virtualdub, you are looking at an easy 40-80 hours of your time, even if you are great with computers. That is what you are paying for. Building, troubleshooting, and correctly setting up a 20 year old AGP capture rig is not like building a 2024 PC using PCpartpicker (which is a relative piece of cake).

Video equipment:

Datavideo TBC-1000. This is the frame TBC suggested on this site. Was purchased from a professional video reseller who tested it. I tested it and found it removed macrovision properly and played back hollywood pre-recorded films. I didn't test any of the the composite video or audio connections for capture as I didn't need those for VHS and Video-8 capture. I used the TBC for it's s-video cleanup and found no issues outputting a clean s-video signal. Has very minor cosmetic wear on the top as it is an older piece of equipment but is in nice shape overall. Comes with a new (as of three months ago) Mean Well brand power supply that was carefully picked and is of the correct voltage and amperage specifications.

JVC S-VHS ET Dynamic Drum System - HR-S7600U VCR w/ Line TBC and NR built in. On recommended buying guide on this site. Includes JVC remote (very close is function and appearance to the original, but wasn't able to find the original remote). It worked on all the menus and on all the playback functions I wanted nonetheless, so you aren't missing anything. I wanted the best VCR I could find for video capture and my choices were either this or the S9600U, which is regarded highly. This has exactly the same internals and image as the 9600U except it has a 2MB buffer instead of 4MB, which from reading won't make a difference for anything but fringe cases. As such, for me it was the absolute best quality VCR I was able to find. Plays back video great and was a good choice for me. Comes with remote which is necessary for entering in the menus to adjust the playback options such as calibration, R3, etc. TBC button visibly works on this when playing back video as it cleans up the picture when the TBC/NR button is green/on. Has very minor cosmetic wear on top. Before starting my captures I carefully cleaned the heads (no cotton!) using alcohol and enjoyed clean picture. After finishing with capture work of about 25 tapes, I opened it again, this time I lubricated the tracks, and cleaned the heads, again, and tested it by playing back tapes. It is ready for the new buyer.

Sony CCD-TRV87 Hi8/Video8 Handycam Camcorder w/ Line TBC and NR built in and S-video output. On recommend buying guide of line-TBC camcorders with stereo audio on this site. Camcorder was purchased from the original owner, who hadn't used it since 2006/2007 and it had very little usage. I selected this particular model after research because as a 1999 model it was the most recently produced stereo audio camcorder I found on the recommended cam list on this site. After that I specifically sought the best kept and least used example I could find. It includes the camcorder (in mint cosmetic and functional condition with zero signs of use), a working Sony NP-F330 lithium ion battery (haven't timed it but it still lasts a while), has a very nice color LCD display which is helpful when capturing video, built in speakers, has S-video output, composite video, and RCA audio outputs on-board. It comes in the original Sony black leather carry case with shoulder strap in nice condition. Includes original power supply/charger. Includes original remote control which was brand new and sealed a few months ago when I started my project. Includes the original documentation/owner's manual which it originally came with. It will come with several tapes - One is the factory sealed Sony Handycam handyguide tape which has tips on how to use the camera, it will come with two opened video8 (not hi-8) tapes. One of the tapes was opened a weeks ago to shoot a minute or so of test footage and playback so it is essentially new but with a minute of footage shot. It comes with two Sony Made in Japan cleaning cassettes. These are really pricey tapes. One of the cleaning cassettes was included by the owner with the set and was brand new and factory sealed (worth about $50-60 by itself) when I bought the camcorder set. I opened the sealed cleaning tape and ran it for 10 seconds as instructed to clean the heads before capturing not realizing I had another Sony Made in Japan video8 cleaning cassette that was already open sitting in storage. The camcorder played back video8 footage shot in the very early 90s beautifully. I was super impressed by the quality of both the video and sound from the player. Basically flawless image quality (as long as the tape is in good shape) and will of course play back your Hi8 tapes as well.

Prices - I am willing to ship internationally as long as the buyer agrees to pay for all associated shipping costs and whatever additional exchange rate charges and customs/import tax costs there are. If shipping, I will cover the paypal fees out of my pocket minus any international fees. I will pay all packing materials including boxes and Styrofoam/other padding material out of my pocket. Buyer will cover the actual shipping cost from either UPS, USPS, or Fedex services with insurance - whatever your preference is for your location. I will default to UPS otherwise. I do not charge handling or any other nonsense charges. Be confident in your purchase as I have years of selling experience on eBay selling computer and electronic parts with over 1.5K items sold without a single negative feedback. I know how to properly package items for shipment so they can withstand shipment. I can send you my eBay profile link if you DM me:

PC - Asking $750 picked up (cash). $800 + actual shipping cost (must include insurance). Fully tested.

TBC - Asking $1,450 picked up (cash). $1,500 + actual shipping cost (must include insurance). Fully tested.

VCR - Asking $400 picked up (cash). $425 + actual shipping cost (must include insurance). Fully tested.

Camcorder - Asking $270 picked up (cash). $285 + actual shipping cost (must include insurance). Fully tested.

I will give preference to buyers who are purchasing everything as a set. If everything above is bought together, I would be willing to take $2,700 if purchased locally. $2,800 + shipping (will be packed in multiple boxes) if shipped. If you have questions after you receive 1 or more items, I am willing to speak over email/DM/phone to answer questions and walk you through things (within reason, for a period of seven days after receiving). This would include how to capture with the PC and other basic questions.

Please reach out through DM with any questions or if you are interested.

[ComPanda]

I'd be curious to hear others thoughts on this; is it a good deal? Also, I thought Windows 7 was the go-to for capturing, the machine being sold is XP? OP, when you say it's "fully tested," what does that entail? You used it and it worked to your liking? Or you've checked all machines' capacitors, measured outputs with scopes, etc? I'd really like to hear Smurf's input.

[leka4]

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

I'd be curious to hear others thoughts on this; is it a good deal? Also, I thought Windows 7 was the go-to for capturing, the machine being sold is XP? OP, when you say it's "fully tested," what does that entail? You used it and it worked to your liking? Or you've checked all machines' capacitors, measured outputs with scopes, etc? I'd really like to hear Smurf's input.

As I stated in my advertisement:

"Please reach out through DM with any questions or if you are interested."

Thank You!

[ComPanda]

I don't think these are unreasonable questions for the amount of money you're asking. Also, can't get others opinions on specifics through DMs. Pretty bad form with your initial response, glad you thought better of it.

[leka4]

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

I don't think these are unreasonable questions for the amount of money you're asking. Also, can't get others opinions on specifics through DMs. Pretty bad form with your initial response, glad you thought better of it.

Your questions aren't at all unreasonable. What is unreasonable is that you are choosing the target my post, for whatever reason, for your very first post on this site, when there are numerous other more expensive classified ads listed. There are members here that are asking $800 for a JVC deck with zero pictures posted and almost no description, when I spent hours carefully writing my advertisement and taking pictures of everything from all angles. If you are seriously interested in buying, you would abide by my request to DM with me and would be reaching out to me directly.

[ComPanda]

You cited this forum as your guide to building and acquring these machines. Asking the very same people whose advice you claim to have followed, again, is not unreasonable. I wish you the very best of luck with your sale.

[lordsmurf]

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Originally Posted by leka4

when I spent hours carefully writing my advertisement and taking pictures of everything from all angles.

You did an amazing job at it. (It's too exhaustive for me to read, but I'm also not a buyer.)

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Originally Posted by leka4

If you are seriously interested in buying, you would abide by my request to DM with me and would be reaching out to me directly.

Yep, anybody interested should do that.

And if anybody has questions beyond that, they can always open a new tech thread seeking clarification on whatever. Not linking to this marketplace thread directly, or the PM, but just clarification on whatever concept needs confirmation or discussion.

If anybody feels something is amiss, PM a Site Staff, or report a post or PM.

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Originally Posted by leka4

Your questions aren't at all unreasonable. What is unreasonable is that you are choosing the target my post, for whatever reason, for your very first post on this site, when there are numerous other more expensive classified ads listed.

He's not a new user.

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Originally Posted by leka4

There are members here that are asking $800 for a JVC deck with zero pictures posted and almost no description,

- Yep, descriptions can matter.
- "Pictures" reveal nothing about VCRs. If you want to see what a VCR looks like, that's what Google Images is for.

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Originally Posted by leka4

As I stated in my advertisement:
"Please reach out through DM with any questions or if you are interested."
Thank You!

We always suggest tech/item Q&A in listings, but the actual ship/money/etc in private.

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

I don't think these are unreasonable questions for the amount of money you're asking. Also, can't get others opinions on specifics through DMs. Pretty bad form with your initial response, glad you thought better of it.

- Yep, not unreasonable for the costs.
- Yep, sometimes seller answers in listing prompt me to get PMs for confirmations.
- Not really bad form, but some people just prefer to do everything in private. Just realize that may hinder chance at selling it.

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

Also, I thought Windows 7 was the go-to for capturing, the machine being sold is XP?

AIW requires XP.

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

OP, when you say it's "fully tested," what does that entail?
Or you've checked all machines' capacitors, measured outputs with scopes, etc?

There are laymen tests that don't require scopes. For the TBC-1000, the "JVC menu test" shows ghosting, wiggling the input wires shows any flicker issues. That are the major obvious errors, when the unit is still turning on and showing signal. I also refer only to s-video, not composite or the VP299 audio bypass.

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

You used it and it worked to your liking?

He stated that.

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Originally Posted by ComPanda

I'd really like to hear Smurf's input.
is it a good deal?

My first thought is "that's a lot of words".

But since you asked, I guess I need to read skim it real quick.

So thoughts as I read:
- LA local seller seeking LA local buyer (but will ship if must)
- workflow with computer
- used for personal project, advice from this forum
- DIY built computer, took lots of times (I believe it)
- system ready to use OOB
- system specs mostly fine -- IDE HGST can be noisy, I'd swap to Seagate 120gb IDE, so quiet
- must pack well, agreed -- I'm known for my packing, so I'd ask lots of questions on materials used, double boxing, shipment method, carrier, etc
- TBC-1000 can be fine, or not -- "professional video reseller" means less than zero to me, it needs further testing
- JVC 7600 can be fine -- but I question lube method, how cleaned, why cleaned after only 25 tapes
- Hi8 TRV87, from original owner, probably fine -- lots of words, skim -- cleaning tape = useless
- money, shipping, insured, carriers --- standard stuff -- skim skim

Pricing fine.
- Not "OMG what a deal!" (low) or "Is he insane?" (high) ... just pricing.
- Value is what really matters.
- One benefit people get from me, and my gear, is that (1) I refurb it, and (2) I help them use it -- sometimes years later (for the longer-term users, be it hobby or pro). So value-added. When people try to compete with my prices, what are they bringing to the table?
- What you have here is somewhere between my budget and premium workflow pricing, essentially with a free computer, though without the support component. I don't see anything out of line here, it'll probably be a nice setup for somebody, assuming TBC and VCR check out.

I don't normally comment on listings, and in fact strongly discourage it from anybody (even moving posts to new threads at times). But sometimes people want to see my thought processes on things, so there you go.

And thus ends my forum time for day.

I hope this seller finds a buyer. That's why the marketplace is here.

[leka4]

Thank you LS for the thoughtful reply. If it helps anyone else, I will answer questions brought up here in the thread. To answer the questions brought up here by ComPanda:
1) I've spent approximately 100 hours capturing with the hardware sold here. Everything here works great for capturing and I have had no issues with playing back tapes or image/sound. I do want to state that as instructed by the forum members here I have a separate VCR that I have dedicated to RW and FF functions that I use to avoid the "power down" issue that appears to impact most JVC 7000 and 9000 series S-VHS decks. The VCR sold here plays back flawlessly. It rewinds and fast forwards, but if those functions are overdone, it will have that issue, as with any other high-end JVC S-VHS model. As long as you keep your RW and FF functions on a separate non-capture deck, it will never be an issue and it will playback your tapes fine. Doing rewind here and there is not an issue, but doing it endlessly to the beginning is an issue on all prosumer/high end JVC S-VHS decks. I advise the forum members buying any JVC 7000 or 9000 series S-VHS, including what I am selling here, that you will need a separate VCR for rewinding and fast forward. These are things I will discuss with the buyer before they receive the items.
2) For the TBC-1000, I too had questions about - "Well, now that I have it and now that I know it turns on, how do I know it works?". I searched for LS's posts regarding ways to test. Two ways he brought up were 1) checking the macrovision removal on prerecorded tapes. I bought several prerecorded hollywood movies and it passed this check. 2) checking the ghosting on the JVC menus. Towards the end of the zip file where I have pictures of the JVC player, I have the 3 pictures of the JVC VCR menu displaying through the TBC. The intent of those pictures was to show that a) The remote works b) that the TBC-1000 is not causing ghosting in those menus.
3) As stated in the ad, the VCR was opened and cleaned twice (very carefully), by me using the methods explained on this site. During both checks (before and after captures), I checked the capacitors for leaks and bulging. I found no issues. If the buyer wishes for me to send pictures of the inside of the VCR with close ups of the caps, I will be happy to do so. Please DM me if interested. The camcorder mechanism is too delicate to be opened and cleaned by hand, so I resorted to the Sony cleaning tapes to do so. There is no way I am willing to break something on a perfectly functional camcorder to mess around on the insides and start checking caps. With the TBC-1000 I have not done similar cap checks since there is no heads to clean and haven't had a reason to open, but I would be happy to open the box and take pictures of the inside if requested. I have not encountered issues with the TBC-1000, so I have had no reason to do maintenance on it.
4) If the buyer has the ability to check capacitor outputs and whatever other electrical checks, they are free to do so if they live locally. I would also be willing to take whatever components you want tested to an electronics repair shop to have it checked (there are many in LA), as long as the buyer was willing to pay for it. Personally, I don't see any reason to do so seeing as to how things operate, but if you want to go that route, I would be be willing to accommodate.
5) Windows XP is the recommended OS on this site, 7 is never recommended. Only specific versions of XP, including SP2 and Integral (which is what this machine is running) are recommended, so not every XP is helpful either.
6) In terms of price, the things being sold here are not especially expensive compared to what others are selling for. Everything here is at fair market value, and with the exception of the PC, almost exactly what I paid for them (I am charging a little extra for convenience sake for an OOTB capture rig). You are welcome to shop on eBay, but you will not likely find prices cheaper than here, and you will have to pay sales tax, and it hasn't been tested as a set. The PC's total price of components does not add up to what I am selling but again, I am charging for the incredible time savings you would have as opposed to building your own machine, with very similar components. If you go that route, again, expect to spend 40-80 hours in labor and time minimum in researching, building, troubleshooting, installing software, configuring drivers and virtualdub properly before you capture a single second of footage - on the lower end of that range if you have a lot of experience building PCs. AGP Core 2 Duo compatible motherboards in the United States are an odd duck, and very rare and difficult to find. Most C2D motherboards are the newer PCI-E and these kinds of AGP boards we need for capture rigs were relegated to Eastern Europe. At any given time, there are usually not more than a handful for sale in the United States online of any brand/model, and usually not for reasonable prices. I had a lot of difficulty finding my own core 2 duo compatible AGP motherboard.

If you or anyone else has any other questions, please let me know. I'd be happy to answer, either here on this page or on DM.

[lordsmurf]

You've done your research, well done. A great example of "buy it, use it, resell it".

[Aya_Rei]

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Originally Posted by leka4

5) Windows XP is the recommended OS on this site, 7 is never recommended. Only specific versions of XP, including SP2 and Integral (which is what this machine is running) are recommended, so not every XP is helpful either.

Actually, XP and 7 are recommended, Windows 8 and above are not. Just wanting to correct that point from what I've seen on the forum, I personally use the official iso of XP SP3 and that works all fine and good for myself.

[leka4]

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Originally Posted by Aya_Rei

Actually, XP and 7 are recommended, Windows 8 and above are not. Just wanting to correct that point from what I've seen on the forum, I personally use the official iso of XP SP3 and that works all fine and good for myself.

Main reason for using XP is the support for the highly recommended ATI AIW cards, which do not have Win 7 drivers. Secondary reason, as others on this forum have pointed out, after XP SP2 or SP3, Windows began to get more bloated with more services that would run in the background, often for improved security purposes. Vista, and then 7 just made that worse with more more background processes and stuff, in the name of security and progress.

These built-in background processes, while great for the time from a security perspective (XP was super leaky in terms of being spyware prone, while 7 was much better), are irrelevant and useless when capturing videos over a computer not exposed to the internet, and can cause dropped frames when they are executed in the background and split-second OS interrupts occur. You can likely get away with using 7 using the ATI 600 USB capture device or similar, but it would be more ideal to use XP if possible I would imagine. It just seems like if you are going to install an unsupported OS on a machine that will be left off the internet, let it be the one that would give you the best chances at a good capture, no? Thanks for your post anyway. I won't fault anyone for using 7 though. Use whatever works best for your situation. Much appreciated.

[lordsmurf]

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Originally Posted by leka4

Main reason for using XP is the support for the highly recommended ATI AIW cards, which do not have Win 7 drivers. Secondary reason, as others on this forum have pointed out, after XP SP2 or SP3, Windows began to get more bloated with more services that would run in the background, often for improved security purposes. Vista, and then 7 just made that worse with more more background processes and stuff, in the name of security and progress.
These built-in background processes, while great for the time from a security perspective (XP was super leaky in terms of being spyware prone, while 7 was much better), are irrelevant and useless when capturing videos over a computer not exposed to the internet, and can cause dropped frames when they are executed in the background and split-second OS interrupts occur. You can likely get away with using 7 using the ATI 600 USB capture device or similar, but it would be more ideal to use XP if possible I would imagine. It just seems like if you are going to install an unsupported OS on a machine that will be left off the internet, let it be the one that would give you the best chances at a good capture, no? Thanks for your post anyway. I won't fault anyone for using 7 though. Use whatever works best for your situation. Much appreciated.

^ This.

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Originally Posted by Aya_Rei

Actually, XP and 7 are recommended, Windows 8 and above are not. Just wanting to correct that point from what I've seen on the forum, I personally use the official iso of XP SP3 and that works all fine and good for myself.

For an AIW build, XP is required. But it's also suggested for most other cards. In addition to what leka4 wrote, the reasoning is simply because XP treats audio/video vastly better than Vista and later OS. Each successive OS made analog capture processes and devices worse, and eventually started to treat capture cards as webcams (awful).

- WinXP was here to start the capture era, and was supported for at least a decade into the 2010s.
- WinVista was a mess, Win7 unmessed it.
- Win8 worse than Vista, 10 craptastic, 11 not great for capture.
- I actually like Win11 Pro for non-capturing tasks. It streamlined Win10 simpler, more towards WinXP or Linux desktops.

The main caveat here is that some suggested systems (especially certain laptops) have no XP drivers, and are from the early-mid 2010s. Neither official drivers nor homebrew/unofficial. So Win7 it is. You have a reduced menu of capture cards (no AIW, etc), but there are still some great non-AIW cards (namely certain versions of certain Pinnacles, ATI 600 and specific "clones", etc).

The OS follows the hardware, not the other way around. The OS, the "operating system", is just a tool to communicate with hardware and software. It doesn't really matter. If Win 3.1 still worked, and worked best, then we'd use that. Or if Win11, then Win11. Or Mac, or Linux, or something else. But here it's WinXP and Win7.

People -- not you Aya, general reference here -- that insist on certain OS (for offline systems) clearly do not use computers for serious tasks. Nobody cares about the OS. Just look at all the coporate/enterprise systems using "outdated" OS without issue. What matters is the tasks/projects, and the requirements of hardware/software to do it. If WinXP/Win7 works best/well, then just STFU and use it.

... but now we're starting to get too far away from a marketplace listing, a bit too discussional now.

Let's allow our fellow member sell his gear now.

[leka4]

Posting pictures of the interior of both the TBC and JVC S-VHS. After close visual inspection, I don't see any signs of either cap leakage and swelling on any of the caps of either machine. I put several lights over the PCBs in each device to check closely. I was of the mindset that if I saw anything amiss in opening up the TBC or VCR, I would take it in to an electronics shop to get repaired prior to ensure the buyer doesn't have issues, but visually everything looks great in each. Please see attached photos and judge for yourself.

Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks!

[timtape]

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Originally Posted by leka4

Posting pictures of the interior of both the TBC and JVC S-VHS. After close visual inspection, I don't see any signs of either cap leakage and swelling on any of the caps of either machine. I put several lights over the PCBs in each device to check closely. I was of the mindset that if I saw anything amiss in opening up the TBC or VCR, I would take it in to an electronics shop to get repaired prior to ensure the buyer doesn't have issues, but visually everything looks great in each. Please see attached photos and judge for yourself.

Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks!

There arent always visible signs of leakage. A technician measures the capacitor's performance with an ESR meter.
Mere visual inspection is not always enough.

From Wiki article:

"...Capacitors with faults leading to high ESR often overheat and thereafter bulge and leak as the electrolyte chemicals decompose into gases, making them somewhat easy to identify visually; however, capacitors that appear visually perfect may still have high ESR, detectable only by measurement..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESR_meter

Some will last longer than others under the same conditions but such electrolytic capacitors eventually fail. This eventual failure is not confined only to certain makes and models of electronic equipment.

[kimblerulez]

Hi, what is with the .HEIC file extension? Can't say that I have ever used the HEVC video extension.

[leka4]

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Originally Posted by timtape

There arent always visible signs of leakage. A technician measures the capacitor's performance with an ESR meter.
Mere visual inspection is not always enough.

From Wiki article:

"...Capacitors with faults leading to high ESR often overheat and thereafter bulge and leak as the electrolyte chemicals decompose into gases, making them somewhat easy to identify visually; however, capacitors that appear visually perfect may still have high ESR, detectable only by measurement..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESR_meter

Some will last longer than others under the same conditions but such electrolytic capacitors eventually fail. This eventual failure is not confined only to certain makes and models of electronic equipment.

Thanks for your post, but what you are stating, although true, is only half of the story. Based on my research of this topic after your post, there is no accurate way to test a capacitor while it is in-circuit on the board. ESR meters are good tools, but if you are wanting to know with 100.00% certainty that all capacitors on a board don't have any issues (which it sounds like you do) and visual and functional tests are not satisfactory to you, the only true option is to physically yank each and every one of the scores of capacitors from the boards, test it outside the board, then re-solder it back in. At that point, I am not sure why one would even test the caps, as they cost almost nothing material wise to replace. If accuracy of tests, and complete peace of mind is your goal, I am not sure what an ESR will accomplish in-circuit.

Essentially what is being discussed here, is a full recapping job on all the equipment here - VCR, TBC, camcorder, is it not? Certainly this is not work that most people on this forum could do, or should be expected to do themselves. To ask a repair shop to remove 50-100 capacitors from a JVC VCR, that is fully working mind you, would cost more in labor than the VCR itself. It simply doesn't make sense what it being discussed.

There are virtually no questions asked regarding capacitors and various tests from other members posting similar equipment with zero pictures of their items and very little description, so it is a bit baffling as to why there is such scrutiny on my listing here. Earlier today I called about a dozen different electronics repair shops in LA seeing which of them worked on TBCs. Out of the 11 I called, 1 said they work on TBCs. They are asking $95 per hour in labor just to look at the capacitors on the TBC, and a separate $95 per hour to take a look at the VCR. He was perplexed as to why I was wanting to bring those in seeing as to how they exhibit no issues. Does the buyer want me to do this for additional peace of mind? If so, I can do that if that is what is being asked. I'll do whatever the members here want me to do, but there is an additional cost that I will pass on to the buyer for that that may be unnecessary.

[lordsmurf]

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Originally Posted by leka4

Certainly this is not work that most people on this forum could do, or should be expected to do themselves.
It simply doesn't make sense what it being discussed.

Correct, and correct.

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Earlier today I called about a dozen different electronics repair shops in LA seeing which of them worked on TBCs. Out of the 11 I called, 1 said they work on TBCs.

Even then, I would heavily suspect their competence at it. There are few people I would trust with a TBC-1000, with Diopter_Doctor being a main referral.

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I'll do whatever the members here want me to do,

What you've done here is already above and beyond. You're fine.

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There are virtually no questions asked regarding capacitors and various tests from other members posting similar equipment with zero pictures of their items and very little description, so it is a bit baffling as to why there is such scrutiny on my listing here.

I'm a bit baffled myself.

[leka4]

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Hi, what is with the .HEIC file extension? Can't say that I have ever used the HEVC video extension.

Hi, I took those as live photos with my iPhone, compressed them within the phone into the attached zip files (iphone can do compression of groups of files). It's apple's own format for photos taken with their devices. If you aren't able to see any of the pictures, please let me know and I can work to convert them to jpeg.

[kimblerulez]

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Originally Posted by leka4

Hi, I took those as live photos with my iPhone, compressed them within the phone into the attached zip files (iphone can do compression of groups of files). It's apple's own format for photos taken with their devices. If you aren't able to see any of the pictures, please let me know and I can work to convert them to jpeg.

I don't need you to do it for my sake I am in Australia and the logistics wouldn't work, although I would like a TBC 1000. You may want to do it for others though and to facilitate your sale as .HEIC is not natively supported within Windows. Potential buyers would have to download an extension or use a converter, just a small hastle but a hastle none the less. Hope it helps.

[leka4]

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Originally Posted by kimblerulez

I don't need you to do it for my sake I am in Australia and the logistics wouldn't work, although I would like a TBC 1000. You may want to do it for others though and to facilitate your sale as .HEIC is not natively supported within Windows. Potential buyers would have to download an extension or use a converter, just a small hastle but a hastle none the less. Hope it helps.

I just tested opening the pictures with both Win 11 Pro and linux. Both are able to view the pictures natively without any downloads necessary. I don't think it would be an issue for anyone unless you were running an out of date OS. Of course macOS would be able to view them as well.

If any interested buyers have trouble viewing the pictures, please let me know and I can re-upload.

Thanks