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For you home users who use borrowed copies of CCE because its cost is beyond any regular home users budget, there is a new version available. It only costs $58 and does allow for muli-pass VBR MPEG-2 encoding. Since CCE is about 5 times faster than TMPGEnc, and to some people the quality is better, TMPGEnc better get moving on a faster encoding engine. At this price CCE might be taking over.
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02-27-2003, 11:38 AM
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Now you see, that's good news
We'll do some quality comparisons against TMPEG in CQ mode.
I believe it's only MPEG-2, so that kill's the product for about 90% of KVCDs
If the quality in MPEG-2 is superior to TMPEG in MPEG-2, and the speed difference is substantial, then it's a go

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02-27-2003, 06:02 PM
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Sometime things arrives too late. To be succesfull you have to be in the correct place at the correct time...

We are living now the "DVD2one/InstantCopy Period"...

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02-28-2003, 12:14 PM
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Why or how would you use InstantCopy or DVD2ONE for VHS,TV, or DV captures?
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02-28-2003, 12:21 PM
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All I can say is I tried the new CCE, and it stinks
At least on my machine, it constantly blows up with either any .avs I feed or a pseudo-avi done with VFAPIConvert. Even with a bare .avs with "source" only. No filters. I tried it 5 times yesterday, and NO GO for me

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02-28-2003, 03:47 PM
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@Kwag,

Kwag wrote:
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All I can say is I tried the new CCE, and it stinks
At least on my machine, it constantly blows up with either any .avs I feed or a pseudo-avi done with VFAPIConvert. Even with a bare .avs with "source" only. No filters. I tried it 5 times yesterday, and NO GO for me
Could we see your avs script. I believe there has to be an audio
refrence to fool CCE.

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02-28-2003, 04:08 PM
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@Kwag,

Kwag wrote:
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All I can say is I tried the new CCE, and it stinks
At least on my machine, it constantly blows up with either any .avs I feed or a pseudo-avi done with VFAPIConvert. Even with a bare .avs with "source" only. No filters. I tried it 5 times yesterday, and NO GO for me
Could we see your avs script. I believe there has to be an audio
refrence to fool CCE.

-black prince
I didn't select any audio at all. I just opened a plain .avs that contains an mpeg2source line pointing to a .d2v. I also did a pseudo avi with VFAPIConvert.
But CCE does encode video only streams, or did I miss something

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02-28-2003, 07:59 PM
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@Kwag,

From Doom9 Guide:

If you have CCE 2.50, CCE 2.64.01.10 or CCE 2.66 you can use Avisynth instead which is a bit more complicated, but also much faster. To use AviSynth start up notepad and paste the following lines into it:

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\rmd\rmd.d2v")
ResampleAudio(44100)


Then replace the path of mpeg2dec.dll with the actual path of the file on your system and do the same for the mpeg2source command. The last line is used to trick CCE into believing that the input file has an audio track. Otherwise CCE would crash when being run on an AMD processor. Now save the file as movie.avs and make sure you set the filetype to All (*.*) before saving or you'll get a file called movie.avs.txt which Windows may show as movie.avs because it's not showing the extensions.

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Thanks black prince
Now it works.

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@Kwag,

Kwag wrote:
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Thanks black prince
Now it works
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Hey Kwag, let me know what your picture quality is like with CCE Basic,
What process you used. Jdobbs on Doom9 has started to develope
a shell program to copy DVD9 to DVD5 using CCE Basic. His MakeItEasy
was a big hit and this new shell program may also score big due to
CCE picture quality.

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02-28-2003, 09:12 PM
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The first thing I'll try, when I have some time, is to encode a 528x480 MPEG-2 target to one 800MB CD-R. Then I'll do the same with TMPEG but using CQ, and then we'll stack them up in Vdub side by side for comparison

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02-28-2003, 09:50 PM
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Hi there,
Is CCE Basic able to read *.vdr file (frameserve from VirtualDub)? I want to have subtitle hard burn to video stream. Also, is there any suggestion on the settings in CCE basic such as Q value, min, average and max bitrate (targeted size=2100MB for both audio and video, so that I can put 2 movies in one DVD-/+R). Thanks in advance.
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Kwag, if CCE turns out good, because it is about 5 times faster than TMPGEnc, couldn't we use 2-pass VBR instead of CQ? I read somewhere that 2-pass VBR is a more controlled system and should, in theory, give better results than 1-pass VBR (CQ), but it depends on the way it is implemented, and in TMPGEnc it is obviously not programmed as well as it could be.

CCE's 2-pass VBR could therefore be much better than CCE's CQ, and it wouldn't matter about 2-pass taking twice as long because of how fast CCE is. This means we could eliminate the need for prediction, as we could use TMPGEnc's built in predictor to find the average bitrate, testing would only be required to review filter settings, etc.This is, of course, only if CCE's 2-pass is better than CCE's CQ and TMPGEnc's CQ.....

Am I right about this?
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PyRoMaNiA ,

long thread to read but explain how "we" change to

CQ instead of 2-pass VBR.

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....ht=vbr&start=0



about CCE:
fantastic result when i encode using dvd2svcd.....
but is boring slooooooooooowwwww!
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but what about 2-pass VBR in CCE?
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but what about 2-pass VBR in CCE?
sorry,i never try, i did 3 and 4 multipass vbr but no more.

i do only kvcds now!

but want it fast like "their" pro-miss
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Kwag, if CCE turns out good, because it is about 5 times faster than TMPGEnc, couldn't we use 2-pass VBR instead of CQ? I read somewhere that 2-pass VBR is a more controlled system and should, in theory, give better results than 1-pass VBR (CQ), but it depends on the way it is implemented, and in TMPGEnc it is obviously not programmed as well as it could be.

CCE's 2-pass VBR could therefore be much better than CCE's CQ, and it wouldn't matter about 2-pass taking twice as long because of how fast CCE is. This means we could eliminate the need for prediction, as we could use TMPGEnc's built in predictor to find the average bitrate, testing would only be required to review filter settings, etc.This is, of course, only if CCE's 2-pass is better than CCE's CQ and TMPGEnc's CQ.....

Am I right about this?
From my previous experiences with CCE, CCE is (slightly) better than TMPEG only in MPEG-2 at around 2-3Mbps. Over that, they are basically the same (quality wise), with an advantage of speed for CCE over TMPEG.
For MPEG-1, CCE sucks big time, no matter what bit rate you use
So for me, CCE is completely out of the question (and picture)

Edit: And I have serious doubts about any significant quality gain, even on MPEG-2, if we use TMPEG in CQ mode against CCE in X-Pass mode. A TMPEG encoding in CQ should be about the same as CCE in 3 pass VBR mode. So there is no advantage there, as far as speed is concerned.

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03-01-2003, 08:46 PM
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@All,

CCE Basic is really being compared with the new transcoders, e.g.
DVD2one, InstantCopy, DVD95Copy, etc. for DVD9 to DVD5 conversion.
Albeit, slower than then the transcoders, it's believe to produce a
higher quality picture using a single pass and CQ settings. It has
no match with Tmpgenc for MPEG-1 and for now could be equal to
Tmpgenc for MPEG-2. But for DVD9 to DVD5 conversion, picture
quality is said to be the best. I liked to see a shell program created
to automate CCE, like the others. Eventually a showdown between
them is coming.

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You can try the "big 3", as they call in doom9:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/ra-guide.htm

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