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03-04-2003, 06:14 AM
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I dont' know if in the forum this question was already done.

At the moment I use the "chain" Dvdx 2.1 + Video Server plugin 0.93 + Avisinth 1.05+ Tmpeg2.10 + KVCDx3 template without any filters and in one 700MB cd I can put up to 70/85 minutes with cq 70/75.

What I would like to know is what is the influence over the time to encode and the reduction of the lenght of file if I use the filters that in this forum are indicated (es. LegalClip(); GripCrop();GripSize();FaeryDust();Convolution3D(); GripBorders() ecc....)

(At the moment I can't use this filters because with the "chain" I use, the Avisinth 1.05 doesn't support alla the filters and I can't change the relase because avisynth 2.07 or 2.5 are not supported by Video server Plugin)

What I would like to know is if there is a guide to calculate for example:

Without any filters and only KVCD template with CQ=Z the time to encode a test of two minutes is = xxx with a lenght of file of == yyy
If you use the filters for example (A+B+C) the time to encode rise of zz% and the lenght of file is reduced of KK%.

Informations like these could help a lot of people to decide if it is better to use 2 CD to encode a movie with "normal" time of encodig (es. 5/9 hours depending on the system that is used) or to try to fit the same movie with the same CQ on one CD but with time to encode very hight (for example 12/25 hours)

Thank's in advance

(sorry for the lot of english mistakes)
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03-08-2003, 04:41 PM
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Just a little question: Why do you use this "chain"? You could do it without DVDx much faster!
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03-08-2003, 04:46 PM
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Just a little question: Why do you use this "chain"? You could do it without DVDx much faster!
Not to mention that the quality produced by DVDx resizing is the worst I've seen

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03-10-2003, 04:06 AM
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Just a little question: Why do you use this "chain"? You could do it without DVDx much faster!
I use this "chain" because is very simple for me to use it.

I don't know if is true that it's very slow, because is not necessary to rip before the DVD with (for example Smartripper and than with DVDTOAVI).
If I'm not wrong this works could takes on a P4 at 1,6 ghtz (like mine) 2 or 3 hours for a movie of 100/120 min.

Than Tmpeg with "Motion search precision" set to HIGH Quality takes me other 6 hours to make the mpg file.

So the total time on my sistem is about 9-10 hours of work with the need of 5-8 GB of Hard Disk.

With the "chain" I use I've no need of HARD DISK space because the movie is encoded in real time. The time to encode a movie of 100/120 min is about 8 hours on my system (so I gain 1 or 2 hours). And also is very-very simple to use it.

I read the replay of Kwag and I don't know Wich product have the best quality resizing. I also use sometimes Xmpeg or Flashmpeg instead of DVDx and the quality of resizing seems to me the same (with Bicubic resizing). Also the dimension of files produced by TMPEG is shorter if I use DVDx

Of course there is a problem to use this chain. With Video Server Plugin I can't use all the filters that in this forum are well explained.

For that reason I made the question (also a question directly to KWANG) to understand how much time could take to encode a movie of 120 min using all the filters you are used to utilise.

For example I'm a little bit not convinced about a replay in another section of this forum, where another guy said that to encode BLADE II ( a movie of about 110 min) with KVCDx3 528*576 and a lot of filters on a PIII, take only 8 hours with "Motion search precision" set to HIGHEST Quality . (THIS is a time that can reach CCE on a P4 not Tmpeg on a PIII !!!?? ). Pheraps in his reply he loose a digit. (not 8 hours but 18 hours ..... )

Anyway as I want to reach the goal of 120 min on one CD, I'm here to hear from you all the advice on this subject. Of course I need to utilise my PC during the day for work so....... I need solutions that takes 8-9 hours on a P4 at 1,6 ghtz (for a movie of 110-120min) as I can use my PC to make this kind of works only by night. Solutions that need 15-20 hours doesn't fit to me.

Thank you in Advance
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03-10-2003, 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GORI
I don't know if is true that it's very slow, because is not necessary to rip before the DVD with (for example Smartripper and than with DVDTOAVI).
If I'm not wrong this works could takes on a P4 at 1,6 ghtz (like mine) 2 or 3 hours for a movie of 100/120 min.

Than Tmpeg with "Motion search precision" set to HIGH Quality takes me other 6 hours to make the mpg file.

So the total time on my sistem is about 9-10 hours of work with the need of 5-8 GB of Hard Disk.
Hi GORI

For me, to rip with DVDDecrypter take often ~15 min. and to make a d2v project with DVD2AVI takes another ~15 min. in total, with a P4 2.0 ghtz, 512 mb sdram.
The TMPgenc encode time is related with the filters you choose. These filters will affect the encode time and the final file size. You have filters faster than others, but with final file size bigger than ones.
But with no 'sloooooow' filter, I can make a ~120 min movie with 528x480 resolution fits in 1cd, allways using the 'Wizards Magic Potions' - MovieStacker, SwiftAvs, Tok, FilePredictor , taking about 6/8 hours long (without the burning phase).
This encode time can be make during bed time, but if I need to extend during the work time, no problem. The TMPgenc is a very friendly cpu share process. I can use normally you machine during this process.
Give it a try.
(sorry for my poor english )

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03-10-2003, 11:00 AM
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For me, to rip with DVDDecrypter take often ~15 min. and to make a d2v project with DVD2AVI takes another ~15 min. in total, with a P4 2.0 ghtz, 512 mb sdram.

(sorry for my poor english )

LaBomba
From your reply I suppose that I'm using badly DVD2AVI.

I use Smartripper instead of DVDdecripter and it takes to me 30/40 min. I suppose that this time depends by the speed of my DVD and HD.

What I don't understand is the time to make a d2v project that in your case is only 15 min and in my case is a huge more.

Can you explain to me how to make a project with DVD2AVI or to show me where I can get a Guide to use it ?. I'm thinking that I'm doing something wrong.

Another question. When I decript the original DVD with Smartripper (but I suppose the same will be with DVDdecripter) I write on my HD files of 5-7 GB space. When I crate a d2v project I need other 5-7 GB ??.

If Yes I will have some problem because my HD is only of 20 GB and , at the moment I have onli 12 GB free.

Thank you a lot

Sorry for my english too.
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03-10-2003, 12:08 PM
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What I don't understand is the time to make a d2v project that in your case is only 15 min and in my case is a huge more.

Can you explain to me how to make a project with DVD2AVI or to show me where I can get a Guide to use it ?. I'm thinking that I'm doing something wrong.

Another question. When I decript the original DVD with Smartripper (but I suppose the same will be with DVDdecripter) I write on my HD files of 5-7 GB space. When I crate a d2v project I need other 5-7 GB ??.

If Yes I will have some problem because my HD is only of 20 GB and , at the moment I have onli 12 GB free.
First, the d2v file is some few kbs only.

My process:
-Start the DVD2AVI and locate the .IFO file.
-Go to Video option and unselect any option (eg. Force Film).
-Hit (F5) : preview.
-Watch the movie for a couple minutes and write the infos of the preview folder : ASPECT RATIO (4:3 OR 16:9), FRAME RATE (23.970,24.970,25.970 OR 29.970), VIDEO TYPE (NTSC OR FILM) and VIDEO RATE (PROGRESSIVE OR INTERLACED). You'll need these infos later.
-If the video type is "Film %" bigger than 95%, so I select 'Force Film' on Video options.
-The Audio encode option is 'Demux' and I select the main track, generally the 'track 1'.
- That's it. I select (F4) and save the project on the same folder of the .IFO files, "hd\movie_name\video_ts\".
-After, it spends few minutes and the .D2V file is very small.

I hope that you understand all this spaguetti

LaBomba

EDIT: You must use the DVD2AVI version 1.76 only!!
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03-10-2003, 04:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by labomba

I hope that you understand all this spaguetti

LaBomba

EDIT: You must use the DVD2AVI version 1.76 only!!
So.... now I understand one mistake. I tried to produce an AVI file not a d2v project. This is the reason because I had a File very big.

I make step by step your guide.

The informations of the movie I was ripping are:

Aspect 16:9
Frame 25.00 fps
Video type PAL

Anyway the time to create the d2v project was of 50 min for a movie of 88 min. I think the difference with your time is due to the speed of my HD and not the cpu speed because I use a P4 1,6 ghtz (so 20-25% lovest than yours).

Now I had problem with TMPEG bicouse I don't know how to resize the immage. With my previous set and DVDx the video format was perfect, now with d2v project as input I had an immage more (I don't rememember the correct enghlish word) tall, hight (to make me understand the faces are like eggs).

If you can help me?? .

Another 2 question about dvd2avi:
In the video section there are: COLOR SPACE (RGB24 or YUV 4.2.2) and YUV->RGB (Pc scale or TV scale).What I had to select ?

Anyway I use dvd2avi version 1.77.3. Do you think is better to use the old version ?

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Use version 1.76 of dvd2avi. Secondly install avisynth 2.07 and use moviestacker to make a script for your movie. That should correct the aspect ratio problem.
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OK I downloaded the DVD2AVI 1.76 version. It's faster than 1.773 vesion about of 50-60%.

Now I have the problem with TMPEG. I don't know How to say to TMPEG to set the correct aspect ratio. The immage cover all the screen. I tried to change a lot of configuration but the black band never appeared.

I have to write a AVS script ?.

If YES somone could post an example to view correctly a video in wide screen aspect ratio 16-9 to make a xSVCD 480*576 ?

Thank you
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Hi GORI!
If you don't want to make an AVS script, then you have to set arrange method to center. This way TMPG will "fill" the widescreen with black borders in order to get the 4:3 aspect that mpeg needs.

But without the AVS script you are loosing a LOT of features, compressibility and the most important FUN!!
It's not difficult to learn, and definitely worth the effort.

There are tons of samples scripts floating around the forum.
But you can try to use MovieStacker to help you making your script.
You can load a preset according to the template you will use.
Setting your target resolution, it will feed TMPG with an already formatted 4:3 with the correct aspect ratio, so you can leave TMPG arrange method to FullScreen.
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