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Hi DVDREasy,
I'm quite sure you have been up to date on the DVDDecrypter end-of-life announcement.
Even if these news still haven't been made official - who knows if it will ever be official... - and taking into account that DVDDecrypter will no longer be updated, you might be willing to consider other possibilities for DVDREasy ripping tool.
Of course this doesn't need to be done right away in terms of getting your tool up to date with the best decrypter engine out there.
As far as I know, DVDDecrypter will be the best ripping tool for many time to come.
But bear in mind that you ARE distributing DVDDecrypter in your installer and by such breaking the law.
Maybe you should take care of that right away.
And this is where my advise on making DVDREasy a simple binary with links to other tools starts to make sense .
That way noone could go after you for breaking the law .
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I agree with your Rui, in fact Lightning UK did warn people hosting or including Decrypter with downloads could become illegal and face prosecution.

I think it makes perfect sense to just reffer to needed software and pointing out to people that they will need a ripper.
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06-07-2005, 05:49 AM
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Hmmm,
I get the feeling that Pedro is way ahead of me on this one.
His homepage is down...
And other homepages from the same provider are not .
Maybe he's already applying the needed counter measures.
Hope to hear from him soon .
DVDREasy is a very fine piece of software.
It's a life saver for the newbies.
And even for those that aren't newbies anymore but that don't want to have much work doing a backup copy.
Hope this DVDDecrypter issue doesn't discorage him too.
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...But bear in mind that you ARE distributing DVDDecrypter in your installer and by such breaking the law.
Maybe you should take care of that right away...
Hi Rui,

DVDREasy package DOES NOT include DVDDECRYPTER. As you can see from my website :

DVDREasy uses the following FREEWARE tools (included in DVDREasy package) :

DVD2AVIDG 1.77.3 (by LOLI.J modified version 1.77.3dg by Donald A. Graft)
AVISYNTH 2.5.2 (by Ben Rudiak-Gold)
VOBSUB 2.09 (by Gabest)
SUBTOSUP 0.9 (by Huisendobler)
ECLCCE 1.81 (by RM at DOOM9.org)
HC ENCODER 0.13b (by Hank315)
MPEGinfo (by Hank315)
BBDMUX 1.9 (by Brent Beyeler)
MUXMAN 0.13h (by MPUCoder)
PULLDOWN 0.99d (by Hard Code)
MKISOFS 2.01 (by Ross)

Also, you must have :

DVD Decrypter (You can download it at the oficial site)


I think, that i'm not breaking ANY law

I agree with you, DVDDECRYPTER is/was the best ripping tool available.

I have to consider modify DVDREasy to use ONE of this approaches :
1) aim DVDREasy to use other FREEWARE ripper
OR
2) DVDREasy only deals with allready ripped material. User must use WHATEVER rip tools they want . . .

Suggestions are wellcome !

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06-07-2005, 07:15 AM
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2) DVDREasy only deals with allready ripped material. User must use WHATEVER rip tools they want . . .
This should be better.
Some people are using AnyDVD that allows you to read DVD directly from the driver, without to have to rip it.

And more : I tested DVDREasy twice for the same movie (one HC and one CCE encode) and I wasn't so happy to have to rip it a second time
(or I didn't find the way to avoid this ?)
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06-07-2005, 07:32 AM
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DVDREasy package DOES NOT include DVDDECRYPTER. As you can see from my website
Hi Pedro ,
I'm so sorry buddy . Please accept my apologies.
I wasn't at home and didn't have DVDREasy installed on the company's laptop.
I know DVDREasy uses DVDDecrypter but I got carried away and didn't remember that actually it doesn't come bundled in your package.
And that's good because that way I don't think you would be breaking any laws.
For the future, and since breaking the encryption is what really counts for legal matters, it would be wise if you keep DVDREasy just as it is right now.
It can interact with the ripping tool but it doesn't bundle it.
Sorry about this.
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2) DVDREasy only deals with allready ripped material. User must use WHATEVER rip tools they want . . .

Suggestions are wellcome !
This is what's stated at Nero's site:

*non copy-protected DVD-Video titles

Use something like that in your description, and you are legally clear of any issues

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06-07-2005, 08:23 AM
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Hi Pedro ,
I'm so sorry buddy . Please accept my apologies.
Hi Rui,
you don't need to apologies, my friend

I just want to make that point clear for anyone who see this forum . . .

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06-07-2005, 08:30 AM
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I tested DVDREasy twice for the same movie (one HC and one CCE encode) and I wasn't so happy to have to rip it a second time
(or I didn't find the way to avoid this ?)
Yep,

There isn't a way to use an allready ripped movie with DVDREasy
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After a little search in the net I found this

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Sony didn't shut DVD Decrypter down because they admit ARcoSS is to prevent the clueless person attempting to make a legitimate backup copy and overall they suceed in that regard. Macrovision shutdown DVD Decrypter because they have a new DVD copy protection termed "Rip Guard" coming out and they don't want their protection cracked in a few hours by DVD Decrypter.
http://dvdxcopy.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/160761

Macrovision gets around 55% of their revenue from licensing their DVD copy protection which is more than likely not being used by major studios anymore as people aren't into making analog copies. Their future is based on "Rip Guard" being effective so they used United Kingdom laws to shutdown Lightning UK!.
Although DVDDECRYPTER web site was closed, there are many mirrors and sites wich provides download of the last version.

I think DVDDECRYPTER will continue to be a usable tool for a while (until a new copy protection will appear, wich will take some time . . .)

So, for now, I will not change DVDREasy. I know I will have to, but there is no need to do it in rush

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06-07-2005, 06:31 PM
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I think DVDDECRYPTER will continue to be a usable tool for a while (until a new copy protection will appear, wich will take some time . . .)
... and then shortly after, a new decrypter will show up, and we'll be happy again

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06-08-2005, 01:51 AM
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Karl, let's not forget that it wasn't a simple ripper.
It had a "dvd burning engine" built-in.
And one of the best out there, FWIW.
Now, what happens if they close CladDVD and some others?
That's why I'm worried.
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Now, what happens if they close CladDVD and some others?
That's why I'm worried.
Come on ! When an actor dies, you still have his video to watch.
99% of the current disc are readable with latest release of DVDDecrypter. New protection do not come to life every days (we are not speaking about virus industry here ), and even when a new one appears, few DVD use it because of the fee the majors have to pay to the patent recorder of the protection system.

So don't worry DVDDecrypter will be still abble to decode a large majority of the titles untill the DVD itself dies.
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@Phil,
I'm affraid you miss the point of my post.
Now, they've done it with DVDDecrypter but they can go after all the other rippers' coders out there.
It's like putting the 1st stone to build a new house.
With the 1st one in place you see that it's not that difficult and you gain confidence to go all the way through.
And what worries me.
New technology such as HD-DVD may arrive and we might get stuck with it because noone wants to make a ripping tool for this new technology otherwise they face prossecution such as LUK.
And this is only for DVD related products...
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New technology such as HD-DVD may arrive and we might get stuck with it because noone wants to make a ripping tool for this new technology otherwise they face prossecution such as LUK.
Even if true, you are a bit too pessimistic.
Do you have difficulty to find keygen for PC softwares recently ?
Do you find more hardly screeners for blockbusters 2 hours after they are in theaters ?
Do you see less people that do not drive upper than speed limits now there are automatic radars on the roads ?

If you fear about new technologies, don't worry, they aren't yet on the market that undergound groups already released craking tools for the protection they plan to use on HD-DVD !
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Too much pessimistic You're probably right
At least I hope so, but only the future can tell.
Let's focus back on the present .
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Now, what happens if they close CladDVD and some others?
That's why I'm worried.
Cheers
I'm not worried at all, because whoever starts a new decrypter project, should either put it on either AntsP2P, MUTE, or better yet, set up a forum on I2P network
Have you actually tried I2P
There are several forums and web sites already running, and they are all anonymous
Yes, I know it's a little slow, but it's getting better with every release (I2P, I mean)

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We're all Doooooooooomed, DoooooOOOOOOOooomed I tell ya! (Note: has to be said in a Scottish accent. ).

Actually I think you guys are right as soon as a new protection comes out it usually isn't long before the crack becomes available, look at Macromedia's latest PC games Protection.

I think Macromedia has only stopped one outlet rippers they can't contain eveything surely??? Someone, somewhere will release a piece of software that will over-ride their protection for legimate users.
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06-08-2005, 07:22 PM
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I think Macromedia has only stopped one outlet rippers
Macromedia
Isn't it MacroVision



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May I remind you that gaming industry is not a good example of what has been said by others here.
There are severall copy protection mechanism especially made for games that still haven't been completely dealt with.
On 1:1 copies at least.
Of course there will always be the nocd hacks that can do the job but at the end of the day a 1:1 copy isn't really possible.
And I'm talking about copy protection with many months not to say years.
Even your best Alcohol/CloneCD can't handle it .
Same goes with Audio CDs.
Even the best rippers like EAC or CDex can't handle certain copy protection mechanisms.
But I've been convinced by you guys: let's wait and see because you never know when someone new, with plenty of new ideas, will arrive to the scene.
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