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I was wondering, when I get to my transferring, what monitor/screen/TV I should ideally use to get proper results? I have a little cheap CRT but its old now and I know its not in perfect condition as it has problems with menus bending and vertical edges on postage stamp broadcasts bending. Also it makes VHS look really good, better than what they really are like. I recently bought a cheap 1080p LCD TV, but even then I am not sure if that’s what I should be using.

How do you calibrate a screen? My current TV has the usual brightness, contrast, colour controls but the way I have them set for watching is maybe not the best for using as a default monitoring level for transferring. I saw an ad for an 'auto calibrating' monitor.

Should I be looking getting a tunerless monitor or LCD computer screen? I would prefer under 19 inch in size. I did a search for ‘video monitors’ but that mainly showed up computer type screens and survelance CCTV screens.

What do you guys use? I prefer to steer clear of buying old big bulky CRT’s and would prefer to buy something new and not have to import from overseas. Any specific resolution I should be looking at?

Could I just do it with my normal LCD TV? ir maybe another one?
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Read all of these posts from 2011-2012:
- Transferring VHS family movies to the digital world
- Viewsonic VP2365wb/LED: Does monitor response matter for video capture?
- Spyder 3 vs Eye-One Display 2 for monitor calibration
- Computer monitor calibration software
- Monitor calibration suggestions for video capturing/editing workflow
- Hardware required to transfer home videos to archival DVDs?
- Best external monitor for use with a 2010 Macbook Pro i7 laptop ?

You're looking for info on IPS/S-IPS LCD panels, calibration hardware, and calibration software. It's all covered therein.

For video, the ViewSonic 2365-LED is discussed several times. Watch for it in the above topics.
To find those posts, I searched the forum for these terms: IPS, calibrate, calibration

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Thanks, tonnes of reading. I will be busy for days. But in short, i need to find a IPS/S-IPS LCD panel?
My intial plan is to avoid computer capture encoding cards too. Want to go straight to DVD recorder.

Also i would need it to be PAL and NTSC compatible but arent all LCD's capable of both?

Prefer s-video input too. I think there will be probs if i cant get that because then i would need a s-vid to VGA converter and that could not give a true reading?

Ok i am half way through the threads above and looking at whats here
http://www.viewsonic.com.au/products/lcd/

I see the VP2365-LED is listed under LED and in the pro section. I guess they are the same.
I think the problem for me is going to be VGA input and the fact these monitors only except input from PC's?

Ok maybe i dont need to panic, will something as simple as this be ok and i wont need one of those expensive boxes to convert?

http://www.amazon.com/CONVERTER-S-VI.../dp/B000S675JU

poor reviews on that one though

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How can i input s-vid from my chain of TBC/proc amp etc etc into one of these monitors? Do i need another 'converter box'?

My plan would be to set it up on the monitor and then when its right, run the workflow into a DVD recorder.

Maybe i will have to pass on the Viewsonics and try samsung or LG? Doubt any PC screen would have s-video input though would they?

Also can these monitors accept interlaced video? According to the spec sheets they cant. What does that mean then because VHS is interlaced?
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To run a DVD recorder workflow, use a Sony Bravia LCD (HDTV).
Amazon always has excellent HDTV prices: http://www.amazon.com/mn/search/?_en...ch-alias%3Daps

The IPS panel suggestions apply only to computers and desktop-based workflows.

Don't buy a "converter" of any kind, referring to connection wiring. Connect to the HDTV with a native connection: s-video (uncommon now), composite (50/50), or component (often found). Some DVD recorders have component output, including the JVC DR-M10S.

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Ahhhh i am allergic to Sony products!
Well my initial plan is DVD recorder conversions. I should have said that in the first post i guess. Just bought a $830 Panasonic. Maybe when i get a better computer i can try PC method too so if i had a monitor that worked both ways that woul be ideal.

I wonder if this would work though?

Everythign seems listed as VGA to s-video and not s-video to VGA but surely these things work both ways?

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Ok so i think what you are saying is i run all the processing gear into the DVD recorder and then into the monitor from the DVD recorder and it would 'display' what i am working one as a 'pass through' (DVD recorder would still be having an effect though i think, so would be better off out the chain for processing?) and then when i got to looking good on the screen, then press record. I was thinking i need to set it up with the DVD recorder out of the chain first.

Anyway, so i am back to square one then and if the recomendation is to not use a converting cable or box to convert s-vid to VGA, then i am going to need a monitor with s-video inputs, and i know from buying my TV last week, s-video input is hard to get except for on cheap LCD TV' which is what i got, or if i have my DVD recorder in the chain then i need component in. Not sure what resolution is output on component though but i guess it does not really matter as long as the VHS will be 480 or 576i.

I guess the only 'monitors' with s-vid i am going to find is actual TV's with tuners?



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Don't judge Sony by the whole brand, but rather by product line:
- You won't find a better HDTV.
- They used to use one of the best Taiwanese blank DVD/media manufacturers: Daxon.
- Sony makes some of the best digital camera CCD and CMOS in the world. Nikon uses them quite a bit.

They do have some good stuff.

Most people think of walkmans, Playstations, etc, when hating on Sony. To me, that's just useless crap, and I ignore it completely.
I worry about products that are being done well, not what's being done wrong. I'm very brand agnostic this way.

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I would NOT use the device in the photo above. (Also please remember to attach images/files to the forum: don't hotlink.)

If you want to bypass the DVD recorder for preview, then unplug it temporarily.
I would not suggest using a DVD recorder with monitoring its behavior live on the television. That leads to issues.

Monitors are monitors, and TVs are TVs, with almost no overlap. HDMI is the usual overlap, when available.

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It was Sony car stereos that put me off them. Made it a habbit to never buy anything Sony.

So what your saying sounds like its best to do the monitoring with out the DVD recorder inline. That means i MUST have a monitor/TV with s-video input. Thats going to be hard.

Can you still do all that calibration stuff with a TV that was initally recommended in the links you posted above which were actually for PC montiors, eg View sonic?

What would be considered worse

1 - using a cheaper LCD TV, with or without LED backlighting but DOES have S-Video

or

2 - getting a tunerless PC monitor such as the Viewsonics mentioned above but then convert the s-vid or composite from my workflow into VGA for the PC monitor?

Are there any PC type monitors with S-video in?

I can see this is going to be a big stumbling block for sure now

23" would be about max but i would prefer 19 inch or smaller. Usually those size TV's are cheap brands but have s-video and i have not found many if any current small TV's with s-video that are good quality LCD/LED.

Thanks

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Ok so maybe i might not be out of luck. I need to find 'professional video monitors'

like this http://www.productshop.co.uk/hd.asp?product=lcd215hd

I have no idea if its any good though or the price. As its not a TV and seems to be made for video monitoring it might be good?

more here http://www.productshop.co.uk/hd.asp

For 6 grand i will pass on this http://www.abelcine.com/store/15-TV-...-OLED-Monitor/

Mayeb they have cheaper ones though? Will keep looking.

They got BNC connectors and that usually tells me its more professional orientated so might focus more on quality. The price may scare me though.

Are TFT screens any good?

This site looks interesting too http://www.tvlogicusa.com/?_kk=profe...FVGApAodgG_TGQ

As long as i know what to search for then maybe i can find one with s-video
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HDTVs are progressive, and have high quality deinterlacers inside to handle interlaced source.
Computer monitors are progressive only.

For video, you need to be using a simple chain of VCR > various hardware > TV (including HDTV)
Don't bypass the DVD recorder -- there's no use in that.

If you have thousands of dollars to invest in a small broadcast monitor, that will work too.

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Now you are confusing me. First you say bypass the DVD recorder to get a true indication and then when i got it set right, then put the DVD recorder back on the end of the chain and do my recording. But now you are saying to keep the DVDR on the chain and out put that to my screen and monitor/do adjustments through the DVD recorder??????

No i dont have thousands to spend on a broadcast type monitor. Cheapest i saw was arounf $1600. So i guess i am back to square one again.

Ok so since i need a progressive screen that narrows it down really. I just need a HDTV/Monitor

Is using a under $500 LCD TV is it going to be ok? How do i calibrate it? My current TV just has of the standard brightness/contrast/colour conttrols and thats about it. I dont know if this is all you need. The IPS screens seem a lot more involved and you can set them up more.

My other thought was. What if i get a TV tuner card for my computer and then loop it through the PC and then out via VGA to a Viewsonic type monitor and do my observations/adjustments that way by looping it through the computer, then when i am ready, unplug the chain from TV tuner caputure card and PC and then feed the chain to the DVDR. That would allow me to do my set up on a good monitior that can be calibrated rather than a limited TV.

Would that work?

If i did just go for a cheaper under $500 LCD with LED back light, is there anyway of knowing that its a good reference? This is looking like the route i am going to have to go i am affraid.

It seems i will be limited to things like this if i want s-video
http://www.neoniq.com/range/neoniq-6...full-hd-led-tv

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OK i looked around all weekend and there really is no new TV's available with s-video input except for cheap chinese re-brands where you never know what you are really getting. Not really the sort of thing i would thing is a good idea to use in a video workflow.

Now i did find this and got a price on one

http://www.productshop.co.uk/hd.asp?product=lcd215hd

They inform the colour is dark grey and price is roughly around 350 pounds which seems more in my range. More investigating tells me this could be the maker here i think

http://www.hsintek.com.tw/products.p...tid=52&search=

and that part number shows up halfway down here

http://www.redwoodelectronics.com/LCD's.html

So what do you think of the specs? they are i spose what you may call perhaps a more budget professional monitor or prosumer but i am hoping they would be better than a $150 TV.

I do seem to like this one as it is video and PC compatible so if i ever want to use a PC workflow transfer i can.

So from what has been mentioned earlier, is my most important requirement s-video input on the monitor to rule out using converters which may alter the picture from what it truly is?

How important is the resolution when working with transfering VHS?

1366 x 768 screen
1920 x 1020 screen

Is full HD LED backlighting the best way to go?
Is full HD the best option? It would seem strange to me to go this way as VHS is not that resolution.

i am not sure what calibration capabilities these monitors have and how to do it but i guess this is an important thing to consider.

what about brightness (candela) rating? is this important?

Well from feeling totally down about not being able to find a quality monitor or TV with s-video i feel a bit better now. I even tried those Sony Bravias (i was desperate) and not even they had s-video. S-video is being phased out.

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Hello everybody,

Just wanna says that recently I bought another Viewsonic H-IPS monitor (alreay own a vp-2365).
They are cheap 8-bit monitor. VX70 Series

I need advice.
I would like to know if I can have benefits from having a monitor TV since I already have a IPS computer calibrated monitor?
If yes, should I look for HDTV or a old CRT TV?
I can have a BM-H1310SU but I don't see the utility?

So far my test shown that CRT TV are really forgiveness vs HDTV in term of IQ when you play a DVD that come from a VHS tape.

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There's really nothing different or specail about at TV, be it CRT or LCD or otherwise.
It's either a cheap consumer model, which may or may not be calibrated, or it's a professional one that is accurate.

The ViewSonic 2365-LED was still available as of November. I've not checked recently, but is it sold out everywhere now?

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VP2365-LED still available on viewsonic site.

the new VX serie is also IPS (latest IPS technology) and the price are great.

the JVC BM-H1310SU is old pro-model, actually I have no clue how to calibrate those vintage TV.
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