Avisynth: What is Better Today?

Prodater64 · #1 04-28-2005, 12:53 PM

What script is better today?

That that uses:

MAScript.
HybridFupp.
Colormatrix.
Deen.
Another one?

Please post here your opinion and the script (except MAScript that is perfectly defined).

Thanks.

audioslave · #2 04-28-2005, 01:53 PM

Colormatrix?!
What's that?

Prodater64 · #3 04-28-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by audioslave

Colormatrix?!
What's that?

I see you found out what it is in another thread.

Dialhot · #4 04-28-2005, 03:28 PM

For me the better is still this :

Code:

DGDecode_Mpeg2Source("PATH\NAME.d2v",cpu=4,idct=7)
Lanczos4Resize(...)
RemoveGrain()
Deen()
AddBorders(...)

I changed very few things since august 2004 (usage of DGIndex insteed of DVD2AVI and Lanczos4 insteed of lanczos).
I just use add "colormatrix" when I encode with Tmpgenc but it's very rare now that I'm doing only DVD (I use CCE).

I never use MA, never use any sharpener filter. They all lead to disasters in my eyes.

audioslave · #5 04-28-2005, 04:43 PM

@Dialhot
Hi. I will try out your script tonight. BTW do you use CCE with DVD-RB when encoding DVDs?

Dialhot · #6 04-28-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by audioslave

@Dialhot
Hi. I will try out your script tonight. BTW do you use CCE with DVD-RB when encoding DVDs?

Yes I do. And in this case I just use Removegrain().Deen() as filter.

audioslave · #7 04-29-2005, 03:13 AM

@Dialhot
When do you use the script you posted if not for DVD?

The Deen filter you're using, is it the beta (don't remember the version now... 1.0)? From what I recall from my previous tests with Deen I thought it removed too much detail. But the version I used then wasn't the beta.

Dialhot · #8 04-29-2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by audioslave

When do you use the script you posted if not for DVD?

You mean for source or target ?

Quote:

The Deen filter you're using, is it the beta (don't remember the version now... 1.0)? From what I recall from my previous tests with Deen I thought it removed too much detail. But the version I used then wasn't the beta.

The version I use is the one you can find now on official site (http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/). It is 1.0 beta 1.

Prodater64 · #9 04-29-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by audioslave

@Dialhot
When do you use the script you posted if not for DVD?

Phil meant that when he uses DVD-RB, he just use Removegrain().Deen(), and not the resize and addborders, as that is managed by DVD-RB.
But always is used to encode DVDs, sources and targets.

bigggt · #10 04-30-2005, 09:04 AM

Hi Phil

Is there any possible way you could put this

Quote:

DGDecode_Mpeg2Source("PATH\NAME.d2v",cpu=4,idct=7)
Lanczos4Resize(...)
RemoveGrain()
Deen()
AddBorders(...)

in a dvd2svcd script

Please and Thanx

Dialhot · #11 04-30-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bigggt

in a dvd2svcd script

I removed this tool at least one year ago. It can't predict so it is useless.

bigggt · #12 04-30-2005, 06:43 PM

Ok Thanx Phil

maurus · #13 05-04-2005, 08:59 AM

Phil, the script posted here is optimal for DVD->KDVD.

What about of DVD->KVCD?

Thanks,

-Maurus

Dialhot · #14 05-11-2005, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maurus

What about of DVD->KVCD?

Code:

DGDecode_Mpeg2Source("PATH\NAME.d2v",cpu=4,idct=7)
Lanczos4Resize(...)
RemoveGrain()
Deen() 
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
#Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=10,variance=0.3,seed=5823)
AddBorders(...)

The blockbuster line is when there is too much macro blokis in the result, due to the combination of Deen + TemporalSoften that "smooth" too much the surfaces.

maurus · #15 05-12-2005, 02:48 AM

1) If the source is DVD for both targets KDVD and KVCD...

Why I must use TemporalSoften() only for KVCD targets?

2) And I use GripFit filters for automatic crop/resize with LanczosResize. What's your opinion?

Thanks.

-Maurus

Dialhot · #16 05-12-2005, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by maurus

Why I must use TemporalSoften() only for KVCD targets?

Because you have 6x more space on a DVD than on a CD ! So to do a KVCD you must remove more things. Or telling in the opposite way, when you are doing a KDVD you can be less tight on the compressibility.

I use to do 3-movie KDVD, than means that I have 1.3 GB for each movie. If I would have done 2-CD KVCD then I would not use temporalsoften for them.

Quote:

2) And I use GripFit filters for automatic crop/resize with LanczosResize. What's your opinion?

I used to do that but this filter has some problems leading to runtime error (aka crashes) from avisynth in rare situations. But you can use it for sure. Just keep in mind that this can be the reason if you suffer a crash once a day.

maurus · #17 05-12-2005, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

I use to do 3-movie KDVD, than means that I have 1.3 GB for each movie. If I would have done 2-CD KVCD then I would not use temporalsoften for them.

1) I use KDVD to 2-movie DVD... My average bitrate are 2500-3000, my CQ is 80-89. Very Good quality.

But With 3 movies, are good quality? What are the minim for CQ and Average bitrate?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

I used to do that but this filter has some problems leading to runtime error (aka crashes) from avisynth in rare situations. But you can use it for sure. Just keep in mind that this can be the reason if you suffer a crash once a day.

2) No problem here with runtime errors, but with GripFit I can't use Lanczos4resize. Only LanczosResize and Bicubicresize (normal 0.3, not Bicubic Precise at 0.6). And I read GripFit not support 544 resolution...

3) If wish use the new RemoveGrain 0.7 for P4. It has serveral dlls, what dlls must I use? what dll must I put in LoadPlugin line of avs script? I must reference the plugin as DRemoveGrain?

Thanks for all.

-Maurus

Boulder · #18 05-12-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by maurus

3) If wish use the new RemoveGrain 0.7 for P4. It has serveral dlls, what dlls must I use? what dll must I put in LoadPlugin line of avs script? I must reference the plugin as DRemoveGrain?

RemoveGrain is now at v0.9.

If you have a P4 CPU, use the one with SSE2 in the name. Remove all other RemoveGrain plugins from the plugins folder. The function is called RemoveGrain() in all the dlls.

A side note: I put two movies per DVD and calculate a weighted average bitrate for each one according to the compressibility and length. That way both movies will be of equal quality which might not be the case if you simply divided the available diskspace between them.

Prodater64 · #19 05-12-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Boulder

A side note: I put two movies per DVD and calculate a weighted average bitrate for each one according to the compressibility and length. That way both movies will be of equal quality which might not be the case if you simply divided the available diskspace between them.

How do you do that calculations?

Boulder · #20 05-12-2005, 08:57 AM

I've got an Excel spreadsheet which will do the math, I just have to input the number of frames, the average bitrate of a sample clip (I encode a 3-5% sample) and the total bitrate of the audio tracks.