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Can someone please tell me how to use tmpge to do dvd

I obviously want a kdvd but not sure how to go about it

Do i load the dvd template and just use the notch matrix or is there a kdvd template,what are my min and max bitrates supossed to be

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I just want to know how to put 2 rerally good quality movies on 1 dvd,I am currently using dvd shrink and am happy with the results but i know you guys do better.


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Dialhot please don't yell at me if you answered this for me already because i still don't get it
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is there a kdvd template
There was ! But not anymore.
Just set the notch matric, put the encoding in mpeg2, use 3:2 pulldown during playback if you plan to do a 23.976 source (or progressive if it is 29.970 yet), and set the GOP to 1-5823-2-1-18 (and not 24 as you did for KVCD). That's all.

Edit : set also the target format to 16:9 if you want is anamorphic or 4:3 if you want a letterboxed one

And of course it's better for your script to generate a 704*480 video or a 352*480.

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,what are my min and max bitrates supossed to be
300 - 5000 that's enought

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I just want to know how to put 2 rerally good quality movies on 1 dvd,I am currently using dvd shrink and am happy with the results but i know you guys do better.
Don't forget to use CQMatic to find the correct CQ, as always.

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Dialhot please don't yell at me if you answered this for me already because i still don't get it
I don't think I already did, did I ?
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06-09-2004, 07:22 PM
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Thanx Phil

you didn't answer this exact question but i was refering to this

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Note: for avis I continue to do KVCD (mpeg2, long GOP) at 544*480 with tmpgenc at CQ90 and I also put 3 of them of the DVD-R. Try that...
I just want to do something like this

thats all

thanx again buddy
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06-09-2004, 07:29 PM
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I just want to do something like this
Everything is in the line you quoted !
I use CQ=90 anytime (no need to use CQMatic), long GOP (that means 24) but I do that because my player handles it, and anything else is the same that I always used for KVCD.

THAT INCLUDES the resolution (544*480) and min = 64, max = 2500.

But before, you should DL my samples disc to test your standalone if you didn't do that yet

ed2k://|file|KDVD.Standalone.Compatibility.Samples.-.NTSC.rar|64251392|57A749FB506510F09D36506180B2730 C|/|sources,213.203.89.90:4692|/

And note that this is for avi sources ! Not for DVD. Actually you can use it also for DVD but I really don't see any reason to do that).
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Phil,
what means "ed2k" in the link that you posted ?
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Thanx Phil

@ Jorel

ed2k = Emule
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THAT INCLUDES the resolution (544*480) and min = 64, max = 2500.
If i want a little better quality if i raise the max bitrate will it make a difference and if so what would be a good max

In short i will try avi at 704x480 mpeg2 ,GOP 18 ,and max bitrate? CQ 90 and V4 avi script

Any problems jump out

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If i want a little better quality if i raise the max bitrate will it make a difference and if so what would be a good max
You know, when doing KVCD on a CD80 I use max=2300. So there, with a max=3000 I already have a good increase in the quality.

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In short i will try avi at 704x480 mpeg2 ,GOP 18 ,and max bitrate? CQ 90 and V4 avi script
If you wonder about quality, do NOT do 704 with avi if it enlarge the resolution source.

Note : you should try Diko
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06-11-2004, 07:08 AM
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Thanx Phil
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If you wonder about quality, do NOT do 704 with avi if it enlarge the resolution source.
The only reason that i wanted that is because i want a dvd compliant resolution that will play on all my dvd players,So it would be better to do 352x480.

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Note : you should try Diko
Tried it before and couldn't get CCE to run properly
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The only reason that i wanted that is because i want a dvd compliant resolution that will play on all my dvd players
For 704*480 you should use 4500 as max then.
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@ dialhot

please help me again...

i'm trying to put 5 episodes of 40minutes each of The Dead Zone.
i recorded theses shows on my pvr.

resolution is 704x480

bitrate viewer says avg 2500 max 6500.

i tried lots of combinations with settings suggested on this forum...

is t possible to get MPEG2 704x480 compliant with best quality and fit 200 minutes of material ???

you suggested me min 300, max 4500.

but that produce files too big !

what is best for me, vbr or cq vbr.

the episodes have lots of action scenes !

when nothing moves, the quality is there, but at the time someting is moving, lot of blocks...

Thanks again for your time.
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i'm trying to put 5 episodes of 40minutes each of The Dead Zone.
i recorded theses shows on my pvr.
On what media CD-R or DVD-R

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06-16-2004, 07:31 AM
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dvd 4.7 go...

for sure !
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is t possible to get MPEG2 704x480 compliant with best quality and fit 200 minutes of material ???
200 minute in fullscreen (TV show = fullscreen, am I wrong ?) and in real interlaced 29.970 is quite big ! I never tried and I'm not sure that can fit easily.

You should better apply the 60fps -> 24fps method describe by Kwag in the optimal script section of the forum. This way you will have less bits to encode, and the quality will be better.

BTW you say that the file is too big but did you do any file size prediction ?
You must use CQ mode for this and use CQMatic to find the correct CQ to apply.
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i know it's too big cause i encoded files many times using different settings...

btw dialhot, is it possible to speak french ?

cause i see you live in france ?

i'm from montreal, quebec.
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btw dialhot, is it possible to speak french ?
cause i see you live in france ?i'm from montreal, quebec.
See you in the French section of the forum so
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=43
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ok, next time i will start a thread there...

but for my needs, maybe i have to go with only like 4 episodes per disk...
it's like 160 minutes and it's will be the same amount of video that the company put on their released dvds.
(we can buy it, but only english tracks)
i recorded in french, so !

i want to know, if a choose something like 300-4500 cq 90, will it be the best quality, or since i use more then 3000max, can the notch matrix be inadequate ?

do you recommand using the standard dvd mpeg2 template from tmpgenc ?
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but for my needs, maybe i have to go with only like 4 episodes per disk...
I think so.
But did you tried this famous "60fps to 24fps" method ? This permit to reduce by 20% the amount bits to encode. And 20% of 5 episode equals 1 episode !

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So you will be abble to continue with five ep per disc.
i want to know, if a choose something like 300-4500 cq 90, will it be the best quality, or since i use more then 3000max, can the notch matrix be inadequate ?
First you misunderstood my words in the beguining of the thread : I use a fixe CQ value of 90 because i'm using KVCD resolution (544*576 in PAL, 544*480 in NTSC). This, added to the fact there are film (letterboxed) and not TV show (fullscreen), allows me to don't bother with the CQ : any movie (from 1h30 to 2h30) is encoded between 1.3 and 2.2 GB and I do 2-movie or 3-movie KDVD.

But with 704*480 for sure you can't use blindly a CQ of 90 if you absolutly need to control the total size of your videos. And this is your case !
You want to put 5 episode per disc so you must use CQMatic to find the correct CQ. 90 is too much for that !

Second : the max of 4500 is allowed ONLY because we use the Notch matrix. Wihtout it, the result will be awfull.

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do you recommand using the standard dvd mpeg2 template from tmpgenc ?
For sure not ! These templates lead to files twice the size we obtain with KDVD templates, so why should we using them ?
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at first, i was saying me if it was not better to encode with the standard templates then use dvd-shrink ! ?

but yeah, considering this size of this forum, i'm pretty sure your notch matrix and gop size will definitely be the solution.


since i use tmpgenc 3.0, cqmatic doesn't work.
plus, my files don't open in version 2.5 so 3.0 is the way.

i was using mainconcept encoder before tmpgenc 3.0, but their deinterlacing don't support "double framerate" and i need that cause if i deinterlace with only one field, it's jerked !!!

and if i don't deinterlace the files, they play very well in many dvd players...except my xbox...it seems the deinterlacing module of the xbox is crap !

(cause people at dishrip group in yahoo groups, say to burn files directly...and i'm already able to put 4 episodes on a dvd....but i had the deinterlacing problem of my xbox + i want (if possible ) to fit 5 episodes on a dvd without loosing quality...or losing too much quality
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1) but yeah, considering this size of this forum, i'm pretty sure your notch matrix and gop size will definitely be the solution.

2) since i use tmpgenc 3.0, cqmatic doesn't work.
plus, my files don't open in version 2.5 so 3.0 is the way.
1) That's correct. TMPGEnc + notch matrix + max-size (18 frames for NTSC?) GOP beats any DVD Shrink-like program hands down.

2) Use Avisynth. You're not supposed to load the files directly in TMPGEnc, you're supposed to use Avisynth to frameserve them.
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