Packshot: Why Not AVI Audio? and Other Questions... - Page 2

Dialhot · #21 07-28-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Why then I can take a short sample (from The Matrix DVD), reencode to a m2v and play it in my PC without any problem. Doesn't mencoder take ride of DVD protections?

I dn't think so. How do you take this sample form the disc ? Do you have anyDVD installed ?

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Prodater64 · #22 07-28-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

And I hope Pro wil understand also the spirit of the question and not think it's a rude attack. Noone with his skills and habit of KVCD can stay in front of a KVCD produced by this two encoders and beeing happy with the result.

Thank for your concepts about me.
In the other side, I really see good results with mencoder. Also with Mainconcept but it is to hard to tune.
But non only me. Many people in forum, and my friends that look my encodings and enjoy of it.
Maybe, we did not look for the perfection (since it does not exist), but it is not problem for many people. And a KVCD mpeg2 encoded by me with target 1CD80 it is just it, better than VHS and not so good like a DVD.

Dialhot · #23 07-28-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Many people in forum, and my friends that look my encodings and enjoy of it.

Don't show that to your friend but I can't take their advice as relevent to judge this toppic

. I mean they will find a MVCD good

Many on this forum ? Who ? Name me someone considered as a "guru" in that list. Not someone that discovered KVCD with Diko (no offense VM).

Finding the result correct does not mean they ARE correct. It just means that noone showed you the default yet, or a better encoding.
My SVCD were perfect to my eyes... before I discovered KVCD. You know what I mean ?

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And a KVCD mpeg2 encoded by me with target 1CD80 it is just it, better than VHS and not so good like a DVD.

Okay.... So you are not doing KVCD that is the explanation

Read the definition on kvcd.net : "It enables you to create over 120 minutes of near DVD quality video"

Prodater64 · #24 07-28-2004, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

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And a KVCD mpeg2 encoded by me with target 1CD80 it is just it, better than VHS and not so good like a DVD.

Okay.... So you are not doing KVCD that is the explanation

Read the definition on kvcd.net : "It enables you to create over 120 minutes of near DVD quality video"

And "not so good" just mean "near DVD quality". I think that this definition don't means near in the better side, isn't it?

Dialhot · #25 07-28-2004, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

And "not so good" just mean "near DVD quality". I think that this definition don't means near in the better side, isn't it?

Prodater64 · #26 07-28-2004, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

I dn't think so. How do you take this sample form the disc ? Do you have anyDVD installed ?

It is a joke, isn't it?

Just in case it is not be a joke put a DVD in your drive and run this bat file:

Code:

@echo off
mencoder.exe -dvd-device F: -alang fr,en -af volume=30 -noskip -ss 10:00 -endpos 03:00 -ovc frameno -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=ac3:abitrate=384 -ofps 25 dvd:// -o "samples\Test.avi"

engines\AVI2WAVCMD samples\Test samples\Test1.ac3
engines\ac3fix samples\Test1.ac3 samples\Test2.ac3

engines\BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\DockingExpress\Samples\Test2.ac3" -output "C:\DockingExpress\Samples\Test.mp2" ) -azid( -c normal -g 0.95 -L -3db ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 ) -mp2enc( -s 48 -m d -b 128 -e -D )

mencoder.exe -dvd-device F: -ss 10:00 -endpos 03:00 -passlogfile Samples\Matrix.log -of rawvideo -sws 2 -noskip -noaspect -noautoexpand -nosound -vf yuvcsp,scale=352:616::0:9,crop=320:576:16:20,expand=352:576:16:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_eq=tex:vmax_b_frames=2:preme=2:precmp=2:vstrict=-1:scplx_mask=0.3:vqblur=0:mbqmin=1:vqmin=1:lmin=0.01:vrc_buf_size=1875:vbitrate=3000:vrc_maxrate=8000:aspect=1.3333:keyint=15:intra_matrix=notch matrix -ofps 25 dvd://  -o "Samples\Test.m2v"
engines\mplex -f 4 -r 0 -v 1 -b 230 -V -p 1 -h -o "samples\Test.mpg" "samples\Test.m2v" "\Test.mp2"

You will need avi2wavcmd, ac3fix and mplex cli, but it is not problem for you. Also can multiplex with bbmpeg or tmpgenc.
-dvd-device x: wher x: is your dvd drive letter.
Write your correct paths.
It is set to one pass only for testing purposes. If you want apply this to a 2 pass encode, you will know how.

Dialhot · #27 07-29-2004, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

It is a joke, isn't it?

For sure not ! Remember that this "encoder" you love so much feed my trashbin weeks ago. And I never encode directly from the DVD with any tool, so I didn't imagine you were talking about such thing.

But you do not answer to the second question : do you have AnyDVD or similar product installed ?

incredible · #28 07-29-2004, 04:43 AM

I dont know if the newest mencoder cvs releases do support DVD decryption (which I dont assume) but the ones I know defenitely not. If I do remember, Rui already checked that.

Well I just thought about all these addings to packshot and that much new options will blow up the Interface

So we have the following options.

- Generateing a TAB based Interface (which I do hate as a matter of no more clear overview of settings)

- Generating two independend apps. one for avi inputs and one for DVD inputs

- The K.I.S.S (keep it smile and simple) way and generating a Parsing Routine where the input will be checked and therefore a special AVI or DVD interface will appear (I would like that)

Prodater64 · #29 07-29-2004, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

But you do not answer to the second question : do you have AnyDVD or similar product installed ?

I did answer you with my question "It is a joke, isn't it?"

I have a DVD drive installed from many years ago im mi PC!
What is your surprice about it?
If you don`t like encode from DVD, don't means that you can't to do a test. In any case only to see if I'm right or not. I thought that you test everything proposed here after giving us you opinion.

Edited: How did you think that I encode my DVDs backups, if I have not any DVD drive in my PC.

Prodater64 · #30 07-29-2004, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by incredible

I dont know if the newest mencoder cvs releases do support DVD decryption (which I dont assume) but the ones I know defenitely not. If I do remember, Rui already checked that.

Do you think I'm lying?

Is it so worth do a test? I gave you all clues, your language code maybe is de, but I'm not sure.
I'm sure if res will be here now, he will test encode from dvd inmediatly, to check my words.

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Originally Posted by incredible

- The K.I.S.S (keep it smile and simple) way and generating a Parsing Routine where the input will be checked and therefore a special AVI or DVD interface will appear (I would like that)

It is wonderful, I like this idea too.

Dialhot · #31 07-29-2004, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Edited: How did you think that I encode my DVDs backups, if I have not any DVD drive in my PC.

I didn't ask "do you have any DVD" but "do you have AnyDVD" ! That is the name of a software

It allows to read any DVD with any tool on your PC with no concern about encrypting.

Prodater64 · #32 07-29-2004, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Edited: How did you think that I encode my DVDs backups, if I have not any DVD drive in my PC.

I didn't ask "do you have any DVD" but "do you have AnyDVD" ! That is the name of a software

It allows to read any DVD with any tool on your PC with no concern about encrypting.

What a fool! (myself)
I didn't not knew that tool, you can figure out this with my previous answer isn't it? Or you could have thing that I was a fool also.

Edited: About DVD direct encode, as you many times said here, "it is so hard test it for yourself?"

Dialhot · #33 07-29-2004, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

About DVD direct encode, as you many times said here, "it is so hard test it for yourself?"

Why do you want me to test something that I do not do ON PURPOSE !
Direct encoding from DVDdrive shortens a lot the life of the drive.
PC DVD drivers are not designed to be used for a long period with no pause.
But of course if on your PC mencoder encode in more than 25fps, then you are not concerned by this problem

(on mine, in 2pass, I need 4-5 hours to encode the movie).

Prodater64 · #34 07-29-2004, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

About DVD direct encode, as you many times said here, "it is so hard test it for yourself?"

Why do you want me to test something that I do not do ON PURPOSE !
Direct encoding from DVDdrive shortens a lot the life of the drive.
PC DVD drivers are not designed to be used for a long period with no pause.
But of course if on your PC mencoder encode in more than 25fps, then you are not concerned by this problem

(on mine, in 2pass, I need 4-5 hours to encode the movie).

I only want that you, check it as a way that you see that I say is true, as you, and Inc also, seems to have dudes.
It is true too that this method would be only for moderns and powerful machines, or for that people that DVD drive life it is not so important (who money it is no problem) and want make a backup with less work possible.

Dialhot · #35 07-29-2004, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

I only want that you, check it as a way that you see that I say is true, as you, and Inc also, seems to have dudes.

Doubts. Dudes is an alternate word for "pal"

Okay then. But I trust you when you say it works, don't start to act like Jorel.
I'll see that if I use again mencoder in the future (they will fix the bitrate allocation some day

).