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Hi Kwag,

I bought Spider-Man and proceeded to backup using D2S (rc3).
The results, after some tweaking to HeadSweet and DVD2SVCD.ini,
were ecxellent. I have a few questions thought.

1) The bitrate tab is set for various times and cd sizes to calc.
....should I ignore this tab or since I want every encode to fit on
....one CD, should I adjust each setting even up to 3 hrs or more?

2) The filesize prediction in D2S (rc4) uses a factor. Could you
....share the best factor for LBR using SweetHead?

3) Some time ago there were posts on Doom9 on how to burn your
....CD as part of D2S. Is this something that could still be added and
....how would it be setup?

Nice work Kwag. I didn't believe an automated process could get this
far. I am still glad I understand the manual process, because it easier
to follow what's happening in D2S (rc4).

-black prince
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Hi Kwag,

I bought Spider-Man and proceeded to backup using D2S (rc3).
The results, after some tweaking to HeadSweet and DVD2SVCD.ini,
were ecxellent. I have a few questions thought.

1) The bitrate tab is set for various times and cd sizes to calc.
....should I ignore this tab or since I want every encode to fit on
....one CD, should I adjust each setting even up to 3 hrs or more?
I have all my bit rates set to use 1 CD and 800MB on every box.
That way the calculations will be done to fit in a single CD-R, because of the file size prediction, and it's perfect for the LBR

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2) The filesize prediction in D2S (rc4) uses a factor. Could you
....share the best factor for LBR using SweetHead?
I believe DVD2SVCD uses the size of the audio file, and then subtracts this from the size you selected on the bit rate tab. That's why it encodes the audio first, so that it knows in advanced what size of video to expect.
So just leave the factor set at .999 ( or 1.0 ). The best use for this factor is if you ever change the encoding from CQ_VBR to CQ and/or use another Q. Matrix, then you might have to adjust this factor if the final file size if too far off.

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3) Some time ago there were posts on Doom9 on how to burn your
....CD as part of D2S. Is this something that could still be added and
....how would it be setup?
Just mount the .CUE or .BIN image with Daemon tools, and use something like Nero or CloneCD to duplicate to a blank CD-R.

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Nice work Kwag. I didn't believe an automated process could get this
far. I am still glad I understand the manual process, because it easier
to follow what's happening in D2S (rc4).

-black prince

Thanks black prince,

But the person you must really thank is DVD2SVCD. He's the one who made all this possible. I only improvized on the file prediction formula based on an already used file prediction method. And made a little SweetHead utility for the rest of us

-kwag
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11-03-2002, 06:44 AM
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Hi Kwag,

Your right! D2S deserves a big thanks and so do you.
Any plans for KVCDx3 automation. This template is another
one of my favorates.

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11-03-2002, 09:22 AM
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Any plans for KVCDx3 automation. This template is another
one of my favorates.

-black prince
No so sure about that. But just select the "Edit as part of video encoding" under the Frameserver tab, and paste your FitCD parameters there when the pop-up edit .avs shows up

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I encoded "The Silence of the Lamps", an "easy" to encode movie about 1h 56min with KVCD-LBR default settings.
The final picture quality is amazing!, Thanks Kwag!
The chapters are working but the final prediction size is still wrong, ended with 2 images. I was lucky cause the 2nd image was only the final chapter with the cast etc...
I left the "prediction factor" to 0.999
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11-03-2002, 04:23 PM
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Hi VILLA21,

Set your factor to .95 and hit it again

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11-03-2002, 06:12 PM
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Villa21 it will never be possible to make 100% accurate predictions! That's why it's called _prediction_

Imo, it is wrong to say that the prediction is wrong when it is as close as it is.
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It"s Done!, I set the "prediction factor" to 0.95, i started the video encoding from the "recovery" and i got just one image!
By the way, i used a 90mins CDR and set the CD size all to 890MB.
Here is the log file with my settings:
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- 4/11/2002 5:24:04 μμ
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2VCD ver. 1.1.0 build 1 Release Candidate 4
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 4/11/2002 5:25:01 μμ
- Free on drive E: 18908.49 mb
- Crash Recovery
- Restarting from: Video encoding
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- 4/11/2002 5:25:02 μμ
- Free on drive E: 18908.49 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
--------------------------------------------------------
Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.
- Encoding Test Clip E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Panos\DVDtools\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 804810860 (785948kb) Predicted: 662885951 (647350kb) Using CQ Value: 25.00
Calculated next CQ Value: 29.41
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Panos\DVDtools\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 804810860 (785948kb) Predicted: 752052574 (734426kb) Using CQ Value: 29.41
Calculated next CQ Value: 31.34
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Panos\DVDtools\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 804810860 (785948kb) Predicted: 786981314 (768536kb) Using CQ Value: 31.34
Calculated next CQ Value: 31.64
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Panos\DVDtools\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 804810860 (785948kb) Predicted: 792136642 (773571kb) Using CQ Value: 31.64
Calculated next CQ Value: 31.94
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Panos\DVDtools\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 804810860 (785948kb) Predicted: 797264393 (778579kb) Using CQ Value: 31.94
Final CQ Value: 31.94
- Encoding E:\Video\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 928056864
AudioSectors: 110582892
VideoPAPO: 12663108
ScanOffsetBytes: 0
SeqAligningBytes: 0
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 804810860.00
Seconds: 6819.16
CalcMPEGStream: 804810860.00
Frames: 170354
CDSize: 890.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 885.00
Using CQ Value: 30.34
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec .dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("E:\Video\Movie\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth\UnFilter.dll")
Unfilter(50,50)
BilinearResize(352,216)
AddBorders(0,36,0,36)
AvisynthSubtitler("E:\Video\Movie\Subs\","permsubs .txt")
----AVS End----

Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Panos\DVDtools\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 4/11/2002 8:05:11 μμ
- Free on drive E: 19744.59 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 4/11/2002 8:05:13 μμ
- Free on drive E: 19744.59 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
--------------------------------------------------------
- 4/11/2002 8:05:16 μμ
- Free on drive E: 19744.59 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 4/11/2002 8:05:18 μμ
- Free on drive E: 19744.59 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 885 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "E:\Video\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 4/11/2002 8:07:37 μμ
- Free on drive E: 18877.89 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: E:\Video\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
6811.840 seconds E:\Video\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 4/11/2002 8:07:45 μμ
- Free on drive E: 18877.89 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 33

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="E:\Video\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="E:\Video\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "E:\Video\Movie\VCDXBU~1.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 4/11/2002 8:09:37 μμ
- Free on drive E: 17998.32 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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11-04-2002, 05:27 PM
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Hey VILLA21,

Congrats!, I send you a (virtual) beer
Seems the .95 is the magic number
I did "Another 48 hours" with the factor set to .95, and got the same result. Perfect fit on one CD-R

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