KVCD: Getting Movie on 1 Disc in Good Quality Really Possible?

Tiger33 · #1 08-20-2003, 02:51 PM

I'm new to this KVCD thing, I used to make alot of SVCDS,VCDS etc but i found the idea of getting a movie on 1 disc (good quality) interesting. I've watched 1 movie in KVCD format (over 2 hours long) and the quality was great. so i thought i'll try it myselve.

The problem is i dont know where do go. From the guides, they all use different methods. Also i have no idea what CQMATRix Is (dont even know what CQ is?)

i downloaded all the templated into TMPGENC. but i noticed that they all have different sizes to my movie (my movie which i would like to encode is 576 X320)

i've used virtual dub to take out the audio and save it as MP2 (file size 91.9mb)

i've also saved a new avi version of the file without sound this time.

But now i dont know how to encode the movie and get it at good size so as to fit onto a disc (With audio)

can someone please help, or point me to guide which would work for me. alot of the guides i've looked at assume that you are working from the original dvd, but i'm only working from AVI files (XVID AND DIVX).

would really love to know how to do this.

Edlund · #2 08-20-2003, 03:50 PM

Simply use this scipt:

Quote:

## DLL Section ##
#
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\GripFit_YV12.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\asharp.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\unfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\undot.dll")
#
####

## Defined Variables and Constants ##
#
MaxTreshold = 1.50
nf = 0 # Current frame.
#
####

## Main section and static filters ###
#
AviSource("Your_Avi_Source_Here")
#
undot()
Limiter()
asharp(1, 4)
GripCrop(Your_GripCrop_Parameters_Here)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0 )
MergeChroma(blur(MaxTreshold))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
#
#

## Linear Motion Adaptive Filtering ##
#
# ( Portions from AviSynth's manual ) - This will apply temporalsoften to
# very static scenes, and apply variable blur on moving scenes.
# We also assign a variable - and this is why a line break is inserted:

SwitchThreshold = (Width<=352) ? 4 : (Width<=480) ? 3 : 2
ScriptClip("nf = YDifferenceToNext()"+chr(13)+ "nf >= SwitchThreshold ? \
unfilter( -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)), -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)) ) : \
TemporalSoften( fmin( round(2/nf), 6), round(1/nf) , round(3/nf) , 1, 1) ")

#
#
#

GripBorders()
#LetterBox( Your_Values_Here ) # Depends on situation. Use MovieStacker!
Limiter()

#
#
## Functions ###

function fmin( int f1, int f2) {
return ( f1<f2 ) ? f1 : f2
}

#
####

copy and paste everything to notepad, put the path to your movie - avisource("c:\gyz.avi") for example, set the Gripcrop parameters - (320, 240) for example, and save it as a text file. Than change the file extension from *.txt to *.avs (you must install avisynth 2.52). Now simply load the .avs in Tmpgenc, define your settings(choose the CQ) and begin encoding. At the end mux the audio and video files with bbmpeg. (it's better than tmpgenc)

bigggt · #3 08-20-2003, 04:00 PM

Avalon · #4 08-20-2003, 04:06 PM

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Tiger33 · #5 08-20-2003, 04:41 PM

Hey thanks for the replies so far guys

on this page
http://www.angelfire.com/film/rendal...mallguide.html

it talks about a program called TOK?

does this encode like TMPGENC (is it better than TMPGENC)

what does TOK do?

I think the problem i have is prediction of mpeg and what template to use?

i can extract the audio and convert to mp2 without problems.

i've used TMPGENC alot of times (not really advanced though)

what template should i use

1. for SVCDS
2. VCDS

(would like to fit movies on one disc with good quality - movie lengths between 100mins and 122mins)

is MPEG 1 for VCDS
and MPEG 2 for SVCDS?

Avalon · #6 08-20-2003, 04:49 PM

Don't get me wrong! but You should start reading around here! I know that You're new in this buisiness, but most of Your questions are still answerd!

Ok. For U: Tok is a program that will check for You the movie and try with using TMPGEnc that the movie will fit on one or more cds, just like You set it up before in Tok-Settings.

Tiger33 · #7 08-20-2003, 04:52 PM

I think the reason i'm confused is alot of the guides i've looked at all use different programs and its very confusing for me (i'm very simple minded

)

i'm gonna give one a try now and see what happens.

Tiger33 · #8 08-20-2003, 04:53 PM

P.S.

http://www.kvcd.net/guides/kguide/kvcdguide.htm

That is the guide i'm using at the mo to test it all out.

again what KVCD template should i use

my video is 576 x 320

thanks

Avalon · #9 08-20-2003, 04:53 PM

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Tiger33 · #10 08-21-2003, 06:00 AM

I would like to fully encode a movie (correct file size)

1. I've already used Headache to do the audio (128 at 91.1mb)

2. Now i would like to do the video at about 700mb but i'm not sure what CQ to use. and also i dont know what template to use for the movie.

its 23.796 (NTSC) and 576 x 320. none of the templates are 576 x 320 so what do i use.

Thanks

also how to a predict the file size?

Tiger33 · #11 08-21-2003, 06:21 AM

From the original guide i said i was using - i'm trying that method of file prediction. but i've ran into a strange error message with TMPGENC so i'll attempt it again

Avalon · #12 08-21-2003, 06:48 AM

First of all: The resolution is illegal!

352x240(28

352x480(576)
480x480(576)
528x480(576)
544x480(576)
704x480(576)
720x480(576)

All other are illegal so CQM blocks it.

Second: Your source is strange! Is it DivX? Use a AVS script.

Tiger33 · #13 08-21-2003, 07:36 AM

O illegal?

dont understand that - i'm just going by the information i get from gspot and moviestacker and thats the resolution of the movie.

The file i have is a AVI. (about 100mins long)

i'm trying the method on http://www.kvcd.net/guides/kguide/kv..._3._Encoding_1

for predicting the file size at the minute.

I dont have a dvd rom so i'm not working with dvd files (yet). But if i'm successful in getting my own personal home made movies onto 1 disc then i'll maybe start doing dvd backups.

So am i correct then when i say that MPEG 1 is ued for VCD's
and MPEG 2 is used for SVCDS?

and MPEG 2 is higher quality video?

i'm testing out the prediction with MPEG2 at the mo using the KVCDx3 MPEG 2 NTSCFILM template (resolution of 528x 480) is that okay for my movie

D Rated · #14 08-21-2003, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger33

O illegal?

dont understand that - i'm just going by the information i get from gspot and moviestacker and thats the resolution of the movie.

That's your source resolution (576 x 320). Your destination resolution must be one of the resolutions that Avaoln mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger33

So am i correct then when i say that MPEG 1 is ued for VCD's and MPEG 2 is used for SVCDS?

and MPEG 2 is higher quality video?

i'm testing out the prediction with MPEG2 at the mo using the KVCDx3 MPEG 2 NTSCFILM template (resolution of 528x 480) is that okay for my movie

At the low bitrates for KVCD, MPEG1 actually looks better. But you can certainly try the KVCDx3 MPEG2 template and see how that looks.

Tiger33 · #15 08-22-2003, 05:23 AM

I kept getting errors with my XVIDS with Tmpegec sadly i forgot to note down the message.

I used DIVFIX to check the avi for errors and i got this message

LIST index out of bounds (1)

is this at all relevant?