ATI 7500 VE PCI laggy?

Zulbat · #1 02-09-2025, 01:49 PM

Iam currently trying to get this card installed (ati 7500 ve pci rage200 chipset according to chipset stamp) in my pc that is supposed to be compatible with windows xp but it doesn't seem to work very well.

On fresh installation it lags immensely I can't even move a window around or scroll in menus before screen lags Iam talking maybe 5 fps a second is something faulty with my card after all or did I do something wrong? This is before any drivers apart from those included in integral edition were installed.

Any tips on how to proceed with troubleshooting. I did try to download the drivers available in the ati aiw thread and install those to no success and now I think I need to redo the xp installation which shouldn't be that much of a trouble.

Other hardware: p67 extreme 4 gen 3 mobo, 1tb sata firecuda ssd (freshly formatted bought new), usb keyboard and mouse, 64gb usb 3 stick with windows installation (Kingston), all old hdd,s unplugged, decent small stereo speakers, 2007fp dell monitor connected through vga, 3570k cpu, 8gb ddr3 ram.

Apart from the ati card and the sata ssd rest of hardware were bought brand new in or around 2012 by me.

Would be grateful for suggestions, hope you have patience even if this drags out, hoping to finally be able to capture some of my tapes with good or atleast passable quality.

Feedbucket · #2 02-09-2025, 02:28 PM

Set your display to 16-bit color if it's not already.

Zulbat · #3 02-09-2025, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feedbucket

Set your display to 16-bit color if it's not already.

I did just try to change color and resolution between 16 bit -32 bit and 800*600 to 1280*1024 back and forth and it did matter to fps but even 800*600 and 16 bit is laggy maybe 10 fps instead of 5 fps just when moving my computer window around screen.

lordsmurf · #4 02-09-2025, 08:28 PM

Wrong graphics drivers were installed.

Zulbat · #5 02-09-2025, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Wrong graphics drivers were installed.

Yep drivers from https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/tv-tuners/ati-all-wonder-series/ati-all-wonder-9000-pro

Improved on the lag when moving windows around and I could watch a scene from "gods and generals" movie without noticeable lag.

Initial thread start reason is therefore >solved<.

Now I need to figure how to install the amd capture suite. mmc? Which version is for this card if any?

Zulbat · #6 02-10-2025, 01:38 PM

Update: I did run into several problems installing the mmc first I removed and readded ati control panel a few times but all of a sudden it started bluescreen upon windows start. A reformat and install of windows xp integral edition fixed it but that meant Iam back a few steps.

I did try on this installation to install the 180 ati iso mounting it with the built in tool in windows xp integral and the mmc control panel shows up but it whines about direct x and capture drivers when I try to enter tv menu.

Any step by step proper guide what to do with this specific ati card and specific windows install iso?

Zulbat · #7 02-10-2025, 07:52 PM

update 2: I now think the problem is all combination of driver sand whatnot possible these days.

Reformatting xp after another bad display driver installation attemps and using the official driver and mmc 9.08 from here I got the video in from mmc menu going without error message but display remained dark when I tested connecting my s-vhs to the s-video input so no picture generated still. So did not work. I may try again tomorrow if Iam not too heartbroken by now, reinstalling xp over and over takes on confidence.

lordsmurf · #8 02-11-2025, 12:26 AM

Using AMD version drivers is a mistake, as most negative the AIW/video aspect of AIW cards. The WDM/etc drivers do not install properly, or at all.

For these exact cards, you need the original installer CD.

But here's the problem: there were two different AIW 7500 PCI cards. One of them is (fairly) simple to install, with the correct driver CD. The other is not. And that other CD is extremely hard to find. I have one, but it's in my un-ID'd CDs, from almost 25 years ago. I've not yet had time to archive all of my ISOs online here.

Note that random files/drivers/ISOs online are often wrong, sometimes even malware-laden (and yes, that includes Archive.org files!). Common knowledge, and yet a lot of people choose to risk it. "It'll never happen to me, I'm careful!" Famous last words.

Step 1 = I need to see a photo of your card,

If this is a random eBay buy, it may be bad. A lot of bad cards are found there. Yes, that includes all the bogus "tested" and "working" cards, all nonsensical descriptions from shady uncaring sellers. If this was shipped to you in an envelope, 90%+ chance that the card is now damaged. Sometimes card damage is pervasive, not obvious, and yet prevents proper capture (or any capturing).

Zulbat · #9 02-11-2025, 01:48 AM

Submitting picture of front and back hope resolution is good enough.
Can theese cards be partially working? It displays graphics on screen ok and is detected by drivers it seems. I also got the two needed dongles in the purchase.

I used a Swedish site similar to ebay to buy he ofc said it worked 5-7 years ago when he last used and put for storage in a box.

lordsmurf · #10 02-11-2025, 02:39 AM

Yes, partial working only can happen. I have some dud cards here myself, where graphics work (or semi-works), and the video capture completely fails. Why? Card damage. Portions of the card needed for graphics is fine, portions needed for AIW/video are damaged.

A common weasel term is "pulled from a working environment". Translation = they have no idea. Nobody cares if it worked years ago, what matters is now. That's their weak nothingburger answer. You were probably scammed. Typical online seller behavior.

Color is actually a characteristic that I also need to see. The gold/yellow reflection on the card is obscuring it in the attached images above. I need a neutral lit image.

Zulbat · #11 02-11-2025, 03:06 AM

There some pictures in the listing maybe them can help? Otherwise I send better pictures early tomorrow or late this evening.

https://www.tradera.com/item/341372/...500-ve-pci-64m

Zulbat · #12 02-11-2025, 04:21 PM

Update:
I tried to use virtualdub and card gets recognised. But screen stays black (meaning no picture at all) even with my s-vhs panasonic connected booth through composite and s-video so am more and more leaning towards card beeing bust but I include more pictures if you need even better quality somehow or have any other capture program to try and get any sort of picture captured feel free to tell me.

Btw I did remember to set broadcast standard to pal_b the standard I think we use here in Sweden. And I did test with known home recorded pal tape.

Thx for helping me out I will probably have to look for another pc setup and agp route or find another pci 7500 ve card.

Zulbat · #13 02-11-2025, 11:46 PM

Update:
I did try and remove all drivers and amd mmc I could find in control panel and just install catalyst 6.11 and after launch virtualdub and this time it did detect some video.
I include a sample of the capture with flicker warning, If anyone have any idea of settings to try to get a more stable picture feel free to tell me. Maybe a standard conversion box between vcr and ati card would help with this video error?

Zulbat · #14 02-12-2025, 03:19 PM

update: tried another 3-4 random driver installation and quality above is the best that I seem to get. The movie is ok to fine when viewed on my tv and it is a home capture so should have no macrovision. If anyone know this mean card is faulty or wrong drivers feel free to tell me otherwise I think I give up improving this card capture quality.

Zulbat · #15 02-13-2025, 01:54 PM

Made progress.
I am not really sure anymore after several uninstalls and installs of drivers but I think what improved capture in the end was the 180 cd wdm drivers for the gpu and the mmc 8.7 from the forum and change settings in the mmc to pal.

Thx to Lordsmurf and you others for helping me this far. I don't think iam done yet but atleast improvements are made.