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11-30-2020, 04:35 PM
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After battling the infamous "TV failed to initialize the video" for 4 days and also having read countless threads here over and over, I thought I'd log my progress and solution for anyone that might get something out of it if they have the same issue.

I built a "new" WinXP SP2 box over the summer including re-capping a Soyo motherboard (SY-P4I845PEISA) and used an IDE to SD card adapter for the HDD. Made it much much easier to roll back to a clean XP install.

There was no stopping WinXP from auto installing it's own video drivers (the motherboard doesn't have on-board video), so my first attempt was to manually install the driver using the 180-V01084-100.iso (mounted using Virtual CloneDrive).

I installed/replaced the video driver manually via Device Manager (Update driver > Install from a list or specific location (Advanced) > 'Dont search. I will choose the driver to install' etc). This seemed to work ok. As mentioned elsewhere on the boards, the driver was now 6.14.10.6404.

Next installation steps were:
-WDM from :\install\WDM
-UCI (DOA?) from :\install\UCI
-Soundblaster official drivers from CD (I have a Soundblaster ZS installed)
-MMC 8.8 using the .iso setup.exe installer.

Then, after this, depending on what software I tried (Windows Movie Maker, VirtualDub, MMC TV) I got variations of the following error:

The TV Player Failed to initialize the video.
Unable to start capture video.
Video device already in use.
Error starting the device.


Most online solutions suggested another app was running and taking over the driver / overlay eg VLC Player. I couldn't find this as the problem.

In hindsight I think the issue was with the manual installing the driver / WDM steps.

I also suspected it was my Canopus AD?? and firewire card I had installed, so I removed these for the next testing. In the end they weren't the issue. Neither was the soundcard.

Fresh WinXP and I started again:

- Soundblaster card install using Audigy_SupportPack_7_0 rather than the official .iso that came with the card.

- WinXp once again auto installed the video drvers, so I uninstalled the card in device manager.

I tried 180_V01060_100.ISO video driver installer and it crashed on setup.exe "inf error. video driver not found"

I also tried the original 180-V01084-100.iso driver setup.exe (rather than installing via Device Manager), but it also crashed with the same error.

THE SOLUTION!

- For me at least.
I grabbed the 2001-2005 ATI drivers archive from The Internet Archive (I think they're all been culled from these forums anyway - the text definitely has).
This sketchy looking website also has Mediafire links to the same set with a few extra files and more years eg 1997-2001, 2006-2010.

After downloading it all I tried 6-2_xp-2k_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_30152.exe from \ATIDriverCollection\Official ATI Drivers\ATI Radeon 8000 & 9000 Series\WINXP directory. As far as I could tell it was one of the later driver versions.

It unpacked and I ran it from root of C: (it complained about directory levels or some such when ran from MyDocs).

This installer gave me the option of Display Drivers, WDM Integrated Drivers and Catalyst Control Panel).
Display and WDM installed fine; CCC would crash when trying to run it (after installing fine), so I didn't bother installing it again on my next test.

After rebooting, Windows completed installing more ATI drivers for the card, so be patient here until it finishes.

...and that was it ... All programs started the capture driver fine (Virtual dub & Win Movie Maker), and WinXP 'Add Remove Programs' control panel even had "ATI - software uninstall utility" & "ATI Display Driver".

I test installed MMC8.8 solo and also mmc-8-7-0-0.exe for the TV app and it was fine.

Other files I tested during this journey:
- wme-radeon-7-88-030430m-008946c-efg.exe (Display driver setup.exe - inf crash error)
- ATI Control panel control-panel-7-88-030430m-008946c-efg.exe installed fine.
- MMC 8.1 (mmc-8-1-0-0-dao-mdac.exe) never completed (just closed, no error - I think DAO installed).

The end! I hope this helps someone in the future.

My summary... As everyone says, video drivers and WDM have to be installed and working first before attempting the MMC etc; but it's hard to tell if WDM etc installed fine when there are no errors given during installation!
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12-29-2020, 05:47 PM
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Hi Juiceycow ( nice name ) - thank you so much for outlining your method, I'm sure it will help me a lot :-)

I dug out my old Dell Dimension 8300 desktop windows XP computer from about 2003, with AGP8x slot, but when I looked inside I could see a few caps bulging so took it to my engineer friend and after a few weeks he had it all working 100%

https://www.trustedreviews.com/revie...ristmas-bundle

the graphics card inside was an old ATi Radeon 9800Pro AGP, so now everything was running OK, we swapped this out for an ATI X800 VE AIW AGP card, this I think was one of the last AGP8x cards ATI made around May 2005

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spec...-x800-ve.c1912

its not listed on post #6 - under AGP Theatre 200 cards, but maybe it should be
ATI All In Wonder Hacks, Drivers, Codecs and MMC

AGP: (Theatre 200 chipset)
ATI All-in-Wonder 9000
ATI All-in-Wonder 9200
ATI All-in-Wonder 9600 / AIW 9600 XT / AIW 9600 Pro
All-in-Wonder 9700 Pro
All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro
ATI All-In-Wonder 2006 Edition AGP8x

the only thing holding things up here is a Sony TBC that will sit in the middle of my workflow between the ATI X800 and my Sony VHS tape player, I should have it back soon, but the guy local to me that services these old betacam machines has not been too well

have about 200 VHS and about 300 V8 tapes to convert next year, so it will be nice to do it right

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Its tough finding older drivers for these cards, particularly the WDM capture driver kits. People seem to archive the main Catalyst packs, but the rest seem to be a 2nd thought. I'm working on trying to get my AIW X800 PCIe capturing video under XP 64-bit. The latest drivers on AMD's site are broken for video capture, so I'm hoping an older revision works. Finding said older revisions has been a challenge to say the least!
maybe this will work

https://www.amd-drivers.com/download...sXP-64bit.html

AMD/ATI drivers for Radeon X800 and Windows XP 64bit

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I made a nice discovery with my new ATI AIW X800 XT PCIe. It captures audio directly from the Theater 200 chip, that's right, no need for any sound card. The machine didn't even have any sound card drivers installed! This is great news as I won't have to worry about audio drifting out of sync with the video during capture, am curious if this applies to the AIW X800 AGP and 2006 editions.
I have an AIW X800 VE AGP8x card ( All in Wonder ) - one of the very last AGP cards made in 2005, it had both DVI and VGA output on the external plate, and I can confirm that it works without any sound cards or onboard audio needed

Using drivers dated 14th April 2005 - 2005-04-14 6.14.10.6534 DVD Title 180-V01106-100

The DVI output from the X800 goes into my B&O Beovision 26" TV, as does the stereo sound output from the X800 into the Phono RCA plugs on the TV

I bought my X800 VE on the back of this UK review in 2005, I could not get the X800 XT AGP at the time

https://www.hexus.net/tech/reviews/g...onder-x800-xt/


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its not listed on post #6 - under AGP Theatre 200 cards, but maybe it should be
Look again.

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I have an AIW X800 VE AGP8x card ( All in Wonder ) -
Do you have the original install CD that came with it? If so, I want to add it to our archive here. I've been ripping and sorting my discs lately, and I have quit a few to add to this thread (and make some other threads for other cards).

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12-31-2020, 06:31 AM
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thank you for adding my card

this is the DVD I have attached

what is your favourite place for huge uploads LS ??
and I will get it uploaded in the New year


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Would an 9800 SE be a valid Theatre 200 option? It's not in the list currently.
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google it and you would know

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...vs-AIW-9800-SE
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Thanks for flying in here for the swift response. I've been looking around for an hour, didn't find this one. Then it seems the 9800 SE just as fine as the ones on the list? Thanks
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