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04-14-2003, 10:28 PM
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FieldDeinterlace() will keep the framerate you start with (29.97, or 25), Telecide()/Decimate() will Inverse Telecine (IVTC) your starting framerate to 23.97 and should only be used if you know that the source was originally 23.97 otherwise you will have jerky playback.
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Where can i find the filter STMedianFilter?

Sorry if this question has been asked before but this tread is getting pretty big and i din't think it was a good idea reading every one to find it.

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Where can i find the filter STMedianFilter?

Sorry if this question has been asked before but this tread is getting pretty big and i din't think it was a good idea reading every one to find it.

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hi p00pz,welcome.

http://www.trbarry.com/STMedianFilter.zip

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04-16-2003, 12:19 PM
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Thanks for the quick relpy and for the welcome.
Another thing do you know were I can find DCTFilter? Or would it just be easier to if you pointed me to a thread or site that had a list of all the filters and links to download them?

Thanks alot!
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ok,.....

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3647


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04-16-2003, 09:15 PM
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with this script in the newest version of tok it takes 15 minutes for the full sample

LegalClip()
GripCrop(352, 480, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
# SpaceDust() # Optional - for some "not so clean" DVDs.
unfilter(50,50)
TemporalSmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.5)
mergeluma(blur(0.2))
# Convolution3d or STDMedian or DCTMedianFilter for extreme worse cases.
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

With the newest script
LegalClip()
GripCrop(352, 480, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50)
# SpaceDust() # Optional - for some "not so clean" DVDs.
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.5)
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
# Convolution3d or DCTFilter for extreme worse cases.
GripBorders()
LegalClip()
it takes 2 hours to do just the full sample in tok

Does this seem right

thanx
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hi bigggt

you wrote:
"with this script in the newest version of tok it takes 15 minutes for the full sample"
what is your pc CPU?
i have athlon xp 2000+ and takes only
7 minutes max to full sample with this script!

and:
"it takes 2 hours to do just the full sample in tok"
"Does this seem right "

somethimg is wrong!
but the newest script is right.

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04-16-2003, 10:45 PM
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Does this seem right
No, no way , unless you have a Pentium or Celeron ~600Mhz or so.
Is that what you have

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04-17-2003, 11:28 AM
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Hi,it is a celeron 900 but it is the same movie with the 2 different scripts so even if my computer is slow it did the first script in 15 minutes i just figured the 2 hours was a little too much.

Does the new script do a lot better job

Another thing i put the script into tmpge without doing any prediction and put the cq at 70 and it said about 13 hours which is what it usually takes for me to do a kvcd movie

Thanx
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04-17-2003, 11:53 PM
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Just noticed that Kwag updated the latest script to include a little comment on Anime/cartoon sources. What do you guys think about Divx/Xvid sources? Is the optical script good enough, or should one add SpaceDust or some other filters? Thanks guys!
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04-18-2003, 11:59 AM
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It does a great job on Divx sources, J-wo. I only use STMedian if the divx is a little noisy...
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04-19-2003, 11:10 PM
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The Optimal Script For Anime/Cartoon material says:

Same as DVD clean material, but shorten the GOP to 12 frames (PAL) or 15 (NTSC)


Does this mean I would use 1-5825-2-1-15 instead of 1-5823-2-1-24 ?

and use 15 in file size prediction?

Thanks,

Andy
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04-20-2003, 01:23 AM
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Quote:
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The Optimal Script For Anime/Cartoon material says:

Same as DVD clean material, but shorten the GOP to 12 frames (PAL) or 15 (NTSC)


Does this mean I would use 1-5823-2-1-15 instead of 1-5823-2-1-24 ?

and use 15 in file size prediction?
Exactly

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04-24-2003, 03:14 AM
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It does a great job on Divx sources, J-wo. I only use STMedian if the divx is a little noisy...
Has anyone been looking at reducing the macroblock artefacts
visible in divx and xvid sources? I see them in most divx & xvids
to some extent, mostly on areas of flat colour like walls. They're
very distracting when watching KVCD-from-divx on the TV!

I've had a little success by adding Blockbuster noise to the optimal
scripts, then increasing luma bluring and TemporalSmoother radius.
It doesnt seem to affect the quality of other parts of the picture much
but improves the look of the blocky artefacts.

Just wondering if anyone else has been poking around in this
area with any success...
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04-24-2003, 03:19 AM
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Hi girv,

It's virtually impossible to remove visible macroblocks in a KVCD encode form DivX, if they are present in the DivX. Actually almost any DivX->KVCD will never be as good as a higher level conversion from DVD->KVCD.

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04-24-2003, 07:05 AM
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Quote:
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It's virtually impossible to remove visible macroblocks in a KVCD encode form DivX, if they are present in the DivX.
Thanks kwag. I know its gonna be hard to remove the macroblocks
as that would be equivalent to restoring the image data that xvid or
divx has quantised out (more or less). What I'm after is some way to
make them at least look better; my approach has been to try to
blend them away in areas of flat colour as that is where I notice them
the most, but I was asking if anyone had any other bright ideas to
improve the look :)

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04-24-2003, 09:30 AM
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When possible, convert SVCD->KVCD rather than DivX/XViD->KVCD. The quality will be outstanding (assuming the svcd was done well and at a decent bitrate). I recently converted a SVCD cartoon using the modified GOP of 15 as Kwag suggested, and the result was the best cartoon conversion I've been able to do to date.

When stuck with Divx, your best best is to simply use the latest optimal script and bear with it Most 2-CD Divx movies convert quite well to single CD KVCDs. The 1-CD Divx films will be quite a bit blockier.
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04-24-2003, 11:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by girv
my approach has been to try to
blend them away in areas of flat colour as that is where I notice them
the most, but I was asking if anyone had any other bright ideas to
improve the look
Then I would use BlockBuster(noise method) with a high value, and disguise the macroblocks with uniform noise. This way it will look more natural. Try that

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04-24-2003, 11:27 AM
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Then I would use BlockBuster(noise method) with a high value, and disguise the macroblocks with uniform noise. This way it will look more natural. Try that
I know I always ask questions like this but... Do you have any hints on what settings I should use with BlockBuster noise in Moviestacker? And also where should I put it in my script in relation to the other filters? Thanks!
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04-24-2003, 11:45 AM
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Use the default position where MovieStacker puts the filter. For "camouflaging" the blocks with noise , try this:
BlockBuster(method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=100, variance=0.8, seed=0 )
And increase with the "variance" value to obtain more "noise" on the picture.

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