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What do you consider the best filters for turtles like me who don't mind waiting forever for their encodes??
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You could play with C3D or other temporal filters, and use very conservative low values 
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I don't mind waiting forever either if it means better quality! 
Would Convolution3D(preset="movieHQ") be conservative enough? And if so, where would you suggest it should go? After SpaceDust()?
I also noticed you're not using DCTFilter anymore...is it still needed 
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I really don't notice that much file size reduction after using the mergechroma/luma functions. You can use C3D after the mergeluma. So the order I would use, would be this:
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LegalClip()
GripCrop( X, Y )
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
SpaceDust()
sharpen(0.7)
mergechroma(blur( 1.58 ))
mergeluma(blur(0.7))
Convolution3D(preset="movieHQ")
GripBorders()
LegalClip()
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Kwag:
Just checked out your sticky for the current optimal script (so you can ignore my PM asking for what script you use now!  ) I was just wondering if you are still using overscan=2 in the GripCrop command. Thanks!
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04-03-2003, 05:31 PM
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I was just wondering if you are still using overscan=2 in the GripCrop command. Thanks!
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I'm currently trying muaddib's suggestion on using "overlap" instead of "overscan"
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04-04-2003, 01:04 AM
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 Oh man! KVCD.net is really an amazing and dynamic place!
I melted my modem and lost my connection for 3 days...
When I came back I found lots of different ideas and filters and optimizations! Just GREAT
Btw kwag, I use "overlap" for anamorphic/widescreen and "resize" for fullscreen.
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Hey, all.
This is my current "Ultra Detail" script. Let me know what you think.
###Reno Likes!!###
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Mpeg2Dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\TemporalCleanerOld.dll" )
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\FluxSmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\BlockBuster.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\DustV5.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Sampler.dll")
AviSource("Whatever.avi",false)
ConverttoYUY2
LegalClip()
GripCrop(528, 480, overscan=2, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
SpaceDust()
Sharpen(0.7)
FluxSmooth(temporal_threshold=7, spatial_threshold=7)
TemporalCleaner(ythresh=5, cthresh=10)
BlockBuster(method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=7, variance=0.3, seed=1)
GripBorders()
LegalClip()
#Sampler(length=24)
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Have you guys tried exchanging Sharpen to Unfilter? Unfilter is a helluva lot faster and should produce similar sharpening.
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Have you guys tried exchanging Sharpen to Unfilter? Unfilter is a helluva lot faster and should produce similar sharpening.
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again i'm with you Boulder friend!
i ever use unfilter....ever!
you know, using gently turn the image very clean!
for me is the very best of all filter that i know!
muaddib promisse to use unfilter in the next MovieStacker version!
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04-04-2003, 03:38 AM
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Have you guys tried exchanging Sharpen to Unfilter? Unfilter is a helluva lot faster and should produce similar sharpening.
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again i'm with you Boulder friend!
i ever use unfilter....ever!
you know, using gently turn the image very clean!
for me is the very best of all filter that i know!
muaddib promisse to use unfilter in the next MovieStacker version!

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any value suggestions for unfilter? the readme says, something between -100 an +100
nerver used it before, wanna give it a try
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i tried several settings now. if i increase the unfitler values to maximum i get a slightly shaper picture than with sharpen, but i couldn´t notice any increase in encoding speed
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hi Kane
yes,of course...
use gently,high values gives strong sharpness.
try in a sample,depend of the size(480x480 or 352x240,etc) that you use:
unfilter(5,5) or unfilter(10,10) or unfilter(20,20).
in 480x480 mpeg2 ,for me is better:
unfilter(10,10) !
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04-04-2003, 05:22 AM
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have you ever tried combining those two filters, i just made a sample using this script
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LegalClip()
GripCrop(528, 576, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
Spacedust()
UnFilter(10,10)
sharpen(0.7)
mergechroma(blur( 1.58 ))
mergeluma(blur(0.7))
GripBorders()
LegalClip()
Sampler(length=24)
it takes 40 sec longer to encode, but gives a sharper and more clear picture, better than using only one filter
the sample is about 1.2MB bigger with both filters  , hmm, let´s see what the fully encoded movie will look like
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Have you guys tried exchanging Sharpen to Unfilter? Unfilter is a helluva lot faster and should produce similar sharpening.
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I haven't. Will give it a try today
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Hmm, I'll have to take back my words regarding the speed of Unfilter. It seems that Sharpen has been optimized since I last tried it out and it's nearly as fast as Unfilter. I don't know what their difference is in terms of quality but nevertheless could be worth a try.
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Hmm, I'll have to take back my words regarding the speed of Unfilter.
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Not at all Boulder  In a 30 second clip, the speed to encode was 2:09 with sharpen, and 1:57 with unsharpen  Quality and file size are almost identical using a test clip with Sharpen(0.3) and unfilter( 30, 30 ).
This is under AviSynth 2.08.
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were can I find unfilter  have I missed somthing...again
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were can I find unfilter  have I missed somthing...again
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You can get it at the software section at doom9.org.
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This is a great thread...
can anyone answer the following, (I`m sure you can..  )
What are the differences that you find using:
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
instead of:
GripSize(resizer="lanczosresize")
And...
is the argument:
sharpen(x.x)
an imported .dll...or is this a "built-in" function of Avisynth. (NoOb alert!)
Thanks a lot guys!..
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sharpen is within avisynth
i´ve never tried lanczos resize, i always use bicubic
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sharpen is within avisynth
i´ve never tried lanczos resize, i always use bicubic
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Thanks for the answer for sharpen Kane..
I`ve been using lanczos on all my scrips recently, and have
seen a lot of people using bicubic...just wondering why?
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I`ve been using lanczos on all my scrips recently, and have
seen a lot of people using bicubic...just wondering why?
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Lanczos produces sharper edges, which then create more visible mpeg artifacts by the encoder.
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hmm... so many script so little time...
can anyone recomend a good script to me to use when turn my WAV
using Headac3he??
thanx
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