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UNBELIEVEABLE! Now I see why I left the encoding scene. 8 1/2 encode and the audio is out of sync. Other than that, beautiful. cq was set to 70 and audio was 224 with the 352 480 half dvd template. File size was .99MB or 1 GB I will be installing the other programs mentioned, paranoia, dgindex and cq matic soon as daughter goes to bed . Any new quides available for these tools. I see talk about fitcd but now clue what to do, I mean script wise. Do I use my script from moviestacker (ma Script) and just copy and past fitcd results to it? Sorry, I did see the flash guide for paranoia, any written ones?

Can anyone explain how to sort the film 95% issue when using either dvd2avi or dgindex? When to use the forced film or not i mean.

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No problem. Nevertheless you should try to take the new bus, not the old (good) one .
Exactly what I was trying to emphasize a couple of days ago .
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UNBELIEVEABLE! Now I see why I left the encoding scene. 8 1/2 encode and the audio is out of sync.
(Re)Welcome aboard .
On this boat sometimes sh*t happens and most of the time it's our own fault .
Can you tell us which tool you're using to reencode the audio and the settings you're using?
Or are you encoding with tmpgenc's own audio engine?
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Other than that, beautiful. cq was set to 70 and audio was 224 with the 352 480 half dvd template. File size was .99MB or 1 GB
Not bad at all.
That might do for 3 movies.
And if you squeeze that CQ a little more maybe it can hold with 4 movies all depending on the compressibility/complexity of your sources.
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I will be installing the other programs mentioned, paranoia, dgindex and cq matic soon as daughter goes to bed .
That's a very good move if you ask me.
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Any new quides available for these tools. I see talk about fitcd but now clue what to do, I mean script wise. Do I use my script from moviestacker (ma Script) and just copy and past fitcd results to it? Sorry, I did see the flash guide for paranoia, any written ones?
That's why I was asking you to forgive us.
We haven't done a real guide in...years!?
Well maybe I'm wrong but it sure sounds like years to me .
I would like to help with more small tutors but I really have been lacking time.
Most of the forum regular members nowadays are newcomers lurking and it sure looks like a tough task for them to get up to speed with KDVD.
I promise I will do my best to get back to the tutors but somebody's gotta help too because I live in PAL land.
I don't know (since I don't have to worry about) interlaced sources.
Back on topic, forget FitCD and stick with PARanoia.
With the help of PARanoia you will build a small script that crops the top/bottom black bands, resize (to say 352x480), take care of the overscan to help you gain some extra kbits with the left/right unused movie parts and finally paint those (needed!) top/bottom black bands.
In other words that would be the same as:
Code:
mpeg2source()
gripcrop()
gripsize()
gripborders()
Any other filters you will need to help compression, remove noise, add sharpness you will have to add them by and by editing the generated scrip with notepad.
And maybe you should consider dropping MA script for DVD sources.
It just bluries a bit too much.
Try a:
Code:
Mpeg2source()
Bicubicresize()
LRemoveDust()
LimitedSharpFaster()
AddBorders()
It is not motion adaptive and it is slow as hell (6 or 7 fps on my AMD 2400+) but it will lightly denoise your source and it will bring back the sharpness that it looses with the resizing and denoising process .
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Can anyone explain how to sort the film 95% issue when using either dvd2avi or dgindex? When to use the forced film or not i mean.
See what I mean? Interlaced sources...
That's why I can't help that much on my own.
I also need some help .
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OK, i am trying to get on the new bus, installed paranoi, fitcd and dgindex and am as lost as can be. Lot easier with moviestacker Sorry, just had to say that cause that is what I was used to.

I am encoding with Tmpgenc 2.521 . . ... Plus. I was using the built in audio so i was loading script from moviestacker and audio file from dvd2avi, I might have had wrong setting in dvd2avi for audio. I was thinking of installing toolame? And no need to apologize for not having a guide, we all have to work!! Some just work more than others, like me.

So after I get the small two or three line script from paranoia what is the rest of the script like and how to complile it (i mean i know how to edit the script but were you get the values from)? I mean you said to drop the MA Script so what do I do? Where or how to get values for LRemovedust and LimitedSharp filters and whatever other filters you all use. Can you paste a full one that you use so I can see an example of what the experienced users use? Let me appologize now if they are built into paranoia cause i didnt look at alot of the tabs and options because it scared me Fitcd was a little awkward too but similiar to moviestacker.

Oh yeah, and how do i know what order to put these in the script?

Thanks for all the help rds, and for being patient, all of you!
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Let's see.
If you have installed DGIndex then you must recreate your D2V projects.
Otherwise it won't work.
With a little help from my tutor (which you apparently have already spotted out) and with the similarities between DVD2AVI and DGIndex, I say that you don't have any problem using DGIndex by now.
Do you? Didn't think so .
Now you have to copy dgdecode.dll (from the folder where you originally extracted DGMPGDec 1.4. to c:\program files\avisynth\plugins.
Now you open up PARanoia.
You press F1 and you choose your already DGIndex created project file and you press the Open button.
The video starts playing.
You use the Pause button to stop it on a high contrast frame *.
Since your source is DVD you should only have to choose the resize engine to use.
So go to the "Configure Avisynth Commands" menu, press use resizer and maybe choose BicubicResize precise.
You were using Half-D1 right?
So choose "NTSC 352x480" from the resizing options.
Since DVD standards don't support Anamorphic state in Half-D1, you have to choose "Anamorph to Nonanamorph".
If you were using Full-D1 you could either keep it unchecked to go Anamorphic or tick it anyway to go Nonanamorphic.
Nonanamorphic is also good and it saves 10-15% of bitrate but the picture will look smooth on big plasma/lcd screens.
Have you ever figured out your TV overscan?
If it's a CRT TV set then it has overscan.
There is nothing on the specs that will tell you the amount of overscan which means you will have to figure it out yourself.
Pick a DVD-RW and test it.
0 means no overscan, 1 means 8 blocks overscan and 2 means 16 blocks overscan, etc.
Set the "Overscan factor" to 2 and try it out.
If in the end you don't see right/left black bars on your TV screen then you can try 3 or 4.
If you test it on 3 and you can see the side black bars then you know that the right factor is 2.
Got the logic?
Now tick the Resized checkbox just below the overscan factor.
You are ready to test your setup.
Press the "Autocrop frame" button.
On the picture you will see 2 green lines.
This will work better with bright frames over the top/bottom black bars .
So if the frame you chose is not bright enough, use the bottom slider to browse through the movie until you find one bright enough and press the "Autocrop frame" button again.
Now it must have found the right crop figures.
Time to create the script.
Choose "Avisynth Script" on the menu and press "Show/Preview script".
Now press the "save script" button and save your script near the d2v project.
You can now close PARanoia.
Your script should look similar to:
Code:
dgdecode_mpeg2source("D:\MOVIES\CATWOMAN\D2V\cat.d2v")
BicubicResize(320,288,0,0.6,5,74,710,426)
Addborders(16,144,16,144)
Now you need to get the plugins for denoising sharpening.
That's not going to be easy.
Maybe you should start out with something simple.
Undot() and Deen().
Go to http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/ get those two filters, unzip the dlls and copy them to c:\program files\avisynth\plugins.
Now change your script to:
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dgdecode_mpeg2source("D:\MOVIES\CATWOMAN\D2V\cat.d2v")
BicubicResize(320,288,0,0.6,5,74,710,426)
#
Undot()
Deen()
#
Addborders(16,144,16,144)
Get the feeling?
Other scripts will take more time and you won't gain too much unless your TV has at least 22 inches.
Try the script in VDubMod and if it works load it in TMPGenc.
But don't encode the audio inside TMPGEnc as well.
Use BeHappy or HeadAC3he.
I'll show you how in a couple of minutes.

Audio
Go get HeadAC3he here http://forum.gleitz.info/showpost.ph...&postcount=277.
But do download HeadAC3he 0.25a3 only!
Now head on to http://mitglied.lycos.de/darkav/svcdguide/svcd.html.
Assuming your PC is at least a Pentium III with SSE you will need to download SSRC.dll and MP2enc.dll.
Extract HeadAC3he to a new folder.
Try out as it is.
Load your source AC3 file, insert the delay of your audio file as stated in the AC3 filename created by DGIndex, and look how your destination file is set automatically for you .
Set the "Destination Format" to MP2.
Keep it 2 Pass mode set to Float.
Now uncheck the "Resample to" option because we want your audio to keep 48Khz as needed by DVD specs.
Now change to the right panel named Azid.
If you own a Dolby Prologic II decoder/receiver keep everything as is except for "Downmix type" and change it to "Surround 2".
But if you own a DPL I decoder/receiver then change that "Downmix type" to "Surround" only.
Now press the "Options" button.
You're on the MP2enc panel.
Choose accordingly CBR and 224 as you had told us that was your target.
Change "Channel Mode" to "Dual Channel".
You can now press the start button on the main panel.

Later on you will give TMPGEnc Author both the m2v encoded by TMPGEnc and the mp2 encoded by HeadAC3he.

That's all for now
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rds, thanks for the informational post. I am printing it as I am writing to you. I just dont know what the problem is, last night before I went to bed I tried another encoding job. This time video is all jerky and the audio is all messed up. Just for s/g, i downloaded avi2dvd 1.77 since that is what i had a guide for and followed all the settings; film 95% or higher use forced film, audio track 1 decode to wave. Since I was lost with paranoia i did a script in moviestacker, loaded into tmpgenc (script and audio that was created from dvd2avi1.77), loaded dvd template and in the morning video all jerky and audio all messed up and the file size went up to 2.6 gb. I said WTF! I have been lurking on the site for the last 3 days reading everything I could and I dont seem to be getting anywhere.

Will follow what you posted in a few hours when the little one goes to bed and will post results tomorrow night.

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Ok, I'll catch you up in the morning.
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The Headac3he 0.25a3 is password protected, anyone know the password
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It's written in the post from the other forum.
By heart I'd say it's "nodelay".

EDIT:
Hey, I just noticed that HeadAC3he 0.25a3 leaves "Booster" on by default.
Don't let it, disable it before encoding.
That makes it 2 checkboxes that are very near one from another and that you need to uncheck, "Resample to" and "Booster".
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OK, video is done. With the script from paranoia and default template of the half dvd 352 480 video file is 637 mb. Plays good, and looks awsome im wmp and plays fast in windvd, but looks awsome. Will get the audio when i get home from work, my second job.
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637MB, huh?
That sounds too small and final CQ must be very low with that size.
Always try to keep it above 70 with TMPGEnc or below 6.5 in HCEnc.
But you know me, I like to keep it on the quality side of it.
Well at least this time we should not experience any audio desync issues.
On the other hand I don't know sh1t about interlaced sources and we could well end up experiencing desync issues.
And if that should be the case I would leave you in better hands, that is , Dialhot, Boulder, Kawg, Incredible, etc.
But at least you're starting to catch the new train .
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rds, sorry, it came to 647 mb's (audio ended up being 221 mb) and I am a little worried that it dont play right in windvd but okay in wmp. I did not touch any of the settings in the template and it was set to a cq of 70. Now I have other problems and I might have to reinstall windows. After installing all those apps now my dvddecrypter and smartripper (which i know nobody uses but i was there next to decrypter so i tried to open it) wont load, as soon as i double click on the icon the computer restarts. Also now I see files in almost all folders on the c drive are highlighed in blue. I did a search and these are compressed files I guess, if I am understanding the help and support in Microsoft. For instance thmpenc was blue, dvd2avi was blue and others. I wont have time to mess with it tonight so I will try and play around tomorrow after work.

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Ugly .
Sounds like a virus to me.
I'd format and reinstall.
BTW, could you post your latest script?
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rds, all i did was a trial run of the script i got from paranoia, which is similiar to your first one without undot and deen. I just wanted to see how it went. I followed what you wrote to the T and came up with that three line script, loaded it in vdub mod and it played but seemed a little slow. Loaded the avs into tmpgenc and loaded the template with the correct res i wanted, 352 x 480 half dvd. I did try however to load it into tmpgenc dvd author 1.6 and it gave me fatal error saying it could not continue cause it was wrong res or something (352 x 480 not valid dvd res, it said it had to be 704/720 x 480 and it did not give option to continue anyway. By then I was so aggrivated that I just X'd out and did not write down exactly what it said. So I could not even load the audio and burn to rw and try it out.

Getting back to the files written in blue, I searched the help support in MS and it says that the files that are in blue like that are compressed files. I dont know how that could have happened! I dont know how the heck to select to compress files, let alone only certain ones

Virus, i dont think so! The computer I do all my video stuff on is not even hooked up to the net. The computer that I download everything on scans all my downloads and I even scan after I sort to a folder to put on my flash drive before i take to other computer. I do appreciate all your help but it is going to take me a couple days to reinstall win and everything else and re rip dvd's I wanted to try and put on one dvd. If i may, if ok with the mods, i will just post back to this thread even though i have fixed the no video problem so I dont have to start a new thread.

I will keep pluggin away and I hope I get success. Will post back in a couple days. Thanks again.
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Of course.
Don't be silly .
We're not going to close a thread just because the original poster doesn't check in for a couple of days .
Not even if he doesn't check in for a couple of weeks or even a couple of months.
Just deal with your computer problem and get back when you feel like it.
Maybe we can sort it out, why you get audio desyncs and stuff like that.
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rds, i have not forgot to come back for advice I have since sold my computer that was giving me problems (after a format and reinstall) and I am now in the process of loading the programs onto my new computer. Turns out when I pulled it apart to take out my slaved 250 harddrive the ribbon was broke and the pins were coming out ( where it is crimped together ) to the part you push into harddrive. I hope I caught it in time and did not ruin my spare 250 drive.

I wont probably get a chance to try out a movie untill this Sat night cause I will have a long weekend, off on sat, sun, mon and tues. Finally some day's off So I will get a movie ripped in and try again. Will post here with results. If I dont post back for a few days then I want to tell all Merry Xmas, or not to offend others and be politically correct, Happy Holidays.
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Duly noted .
Merry Xmas tutankhamun
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S U C C E S S ! Thanks to all who helped, especially rds.

3 movies on one dvd! Here are the three movies that I tried, Nowhere to Run, The Professional and The Sentinal. All three encoded with the ntsc template for 720x480, kdvd template full. Just a plain script from Paranoia, by the way what is that deblocking=(c 4) or whatever the exact phrasing is ? CQ I upped to 76 on Nowhere to Run and I did 78 on the professional and 80 on the sentinal, to give me some idea on filesize. The audio was done at 224 for all.

Loaded them up in tmpgenc dvd author and I was over by about 65 or 70 mb's if i recall (did not want to re encode) so i just redid the audio on them to 160 and ended up having 20 mbs to spare. I have not played the dvd in my standalone but it worked on the computer in Powerdvd.


Thanks again for the help! Can't wait to do more
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Well, all three play great and sound great only problem is that the picture is in the center of tv screen, black bars all the way around. I do believe i selected overlay instead of resize so I dont know what happened. All three are the same. What should video arrange method be set at on the advanced tab of tmpgenc? I believe it is at full screen keep aspect ratio. Will dig into it more when daughter goes to bed later.
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only problem is that the picture is in the center of tv screen, black bars all the way around. I do believe i selected overlay instead of resize so I dont know what happened.
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All three are the same. What should video arrange method be set at on the advanced tab of tmpgenc?
Full Screen. And let your script do the cropping/resizing.

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Ok, I am setting up another movie to do and I would like to run it past all you folks first to make sure I got a grip on some of this stuff.

File information, Thomas Crown Affair, 4.3 AR 720x480 with forced film done in dgindex, loaded up d2v file into Paranoia, paused then selected 720x480 for resizing, checked Anamorphic to Non Anamorphic (since I got a 4.3 crt tv, read in a post to do non anamorp if you have a 4.3 tv), ITU option was checked by default, overscan factor to 3 (which gave me a PAR error of Zero) and checked resize not overlay and this is the script I got

dgdecode_mpeg2source("C:\DVD\thomas crown affair\tc.d2v",cpu=4)
BicubicResize(672,336,0,0.6,5,68,708,354)
Addborders(24,72,24,72)

I then loaded this script into tmpgenc and loaded the kdvd full d1 720x480 template and changed two things, first I changed under the advanced tab to full screen (was full screen keep aspect ratio) and I also changed under the video tab 4.3 (was set to 16.9) Thought I read if it was a 4.3 movie to select 4.3 and if 16.9 select 16.9!?

Could someone please inform me if I am following correctly or did I mess up anything. I am trying to follow the new bus

I was a little confused by an explanation about using the overlayed overscan saying you wont have to zoom to get rid of black bars on side (it was in a post I read titled Explain Overscan which i printed out and followed). But that is what I used and I got the black bars on the sides.

So if anyone could pass me some advice (on some of the settings I mentioned) I would greatly appreciate it! Before I hit the start button

Thanks RDS, Kwag and Dialhot for your replies!
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