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I am using Telecide()/Decimate() with DVD2AVI non-ForceFilm output with KDVDfull. Should I check or not check "Interlaced Source" on Version 1.1.02?
You'll see that TMPEG automatically selects "Non-interlace".

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But when predicting in two different max bitrates the final size should
be the same, only the CQ changes, or am I wrong?
Yes. You're right

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just wonderin is there a possibility u could add a function that gets the average bitrate like in moviestacker??
That's what the little "calculator" icon is there for
It will be integrated in version 2.0

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If you are using an external deinterlacer ( Bob(), FiledDeinterlace(), etc. ), then you must manually "check" this option. This applies ONLY to interlaced sources.
Kwag...want to make sure I got this. If I am using FieldDeinterlace() in my script on an interlaced source I usually set video source as "Progressive" in Tmpgenc for mpeg-1 project. In CQMatic I still check the "interlace" box however. Is this correct?

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08-07-2003, 07:36 AM
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Hi kwag,

in CQMatic there are disabled checkboxes for MCE and CCE. Do you think you'd sometime be able to include vmesquita's CCE method in CQMatic?

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If you are using an external deinterlacer ( Bob(), FiledDeinterlace(), etc. ), then you must manually "check" this option. This applies ONLY to interlaced sources.
Kwag...want to make sure I got this. If I am using FieldDeinterlace() in my script on an interlaced source I usually set video source as "Progressive" in Tmpgenc for mpeg-1 project. In CQMatic I still check the "interlace" box however. Is this correct?
Yes. You must check the "interlace" option in CQM.

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08-07-2003, 11:07 AM
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in CQMatic there are disabled checkboxes for MCE and CCE. Do you think you'd sometime be able to include vmesquita's CCE method in CQMatic?

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I haven't tried that yet
And I will go forward, only when I finish with the TMPEG problems we currently have. CCE should follow. MCE, I don't know. I'm still waiting on a E-Mail I wrote to them, related to command line control. Apparently, MCE doesn't have any
If that's the case, MCE will be removed from the option, as there's no way to use the program from external sources.

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If you are using an external deinterlacer ( Bob(), FiledDeinterlace(), etc. ), then you must manually "check" this option. This applies ONLY to interlaced sources.
Kwag...want to make sure I got this. If I am using FieldDeinterlace() in my script on an interlaced source I usually set video source as "Progressive" in Tmpgenc for mpeg-1 project. In CQMatic I still check the "interlace" box however. Is this correct?
Yes. You must check the "interlace" option in CQM.

-kwag
Is this true? I thought if you have telecide and decimate or fielddeinterlace in your avs script it is considered progressive material because it is frameserved as such?

Should I use the interlaced option even when using telecide and decimate to convert 29fps interlaced hybrid material to 23fps?
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Should I use the interlaced option even when using telecide and decimate to convert 29fps interlaced hybrid material to 23fps?
No. Only when the source is 29.97fps interlaced and you are encoding at 29.97fps.
If your source is IVTC'ed, with telecide or any other function, then your source is seen as progressive by the encoder, and you must "uncheck" the option. ( Actually it will be unchecked automatically, because CQM will see "Progressive" in TMPEG's source type )

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I haven't tried that yet
And I will go forward, only when I finish with the TMPEG problems we currently have. CCE should follow. MCE, I don't know. I'm still waiting on a E-Mail I wrote to them, related to command line control. Apparently, MCE doesn't have any
If that's the case, MCE will be removed from the option, as there's no way to use the program from external sources.

-kwag
Kwag,

As you probably know, CCE doesn't have native command-line support. But we can use ECLCCE to add this functionality. ECLCCE does not crack CCE executable, it just simulates normal user input, and uses WIndows Functions. So probabily, this could also be done with MCE to allow CQMAtic to work! This is just an idea, I don't know exactly how this is implemented in ECLCCE.

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Hi vmesquita,

Yes, I think ECLCCE is what DVD2SVCD uses to control CCE.
It's really sad these programs (CCE, MCE) don't have any kind of command line control
I really don't like the "User simulated software" programs, as they can fail under some conditions. And then, the complete process is messed up
But if it is the only alternative, then that's the way it will have to be done

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Hi vmesquita,

Yes, I think ECLCCE is what DVD2SVCD uses to control CCE.
It's really sad these programs (CCE, MCE) don't have any kind of command line control
I really don't like the "User simulated software" programs, as they can fail under some conditions. And then, the complete process is messed up
But if it is the only alternative, then that's the way it will have to be done

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It's definatelly sad... It's not really reliable, and new versions sometimes kill the thing... But sometimes it's the only way. I think most companies really don't care about this.

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08-08-2003, 02:29 AM
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As usual, at the top of this thread

Changes to 1.1.04
Added: Internal prediction factors now taken into consideration, depending on the project resolution.
Valid resolutions are:
352x240(28
352x480(576)
480x480(576)
528x480(576)
544x480(576)
704x480(576)
720x480(576)
Any other resolution will not be processed
A warning message will be issued by CQMatic if you try to process any another resolution.

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08-08-2003, 09:22 AM
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Movie length: 146Min
CD's: 2 SVCD's (2 languages)
max: 3600; min: 350; avg: 1145
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CQMatic Log:

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CQMatic Version 1.1.02
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 00:30:20 Date: 08/08/2003
Ready!
Project: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Michaela Bieber\Desktop\AviSynth_Script_file.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

C:\HP1\Video\test.m2v
Execute.
Movie Time: 146
Average Bitrate: 1145
Full Encode mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 00:33:04
On 08/08/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 14.50 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.973330
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.00
Current CQ = 58.40
CQ difference = 1.600227
Using CQ of 58.40
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 14.32 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.979236
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 58.399773
Last CQ = 58.40
Current CQ = 57.19
CQ difference = 1.212597
Using CQ of 57.19
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process time: 14.45 minutes.
Encoder end.
Encoding set to Full encode.
Full encode start...
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 43.32
Process ended at 01:16:23
On 08/08/2003
After encoding the Filesize was ~116MB to small!
MovieStacker's file size: 1216MB
Filesize after Encoding: 1100,5MB

The Quality also is really good!
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08-08-2003, 11:04 AM
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You better try CQMatic 1.1.0.4, since the previous Versions aren't very accurate.
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08-08-2003, 06:37 PM
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Better yet, get 1.1.06
http://www.kvcd.net/CQMatic-1.1.06.exe

Enjoy
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08-08-2003, 09:20 PM
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But something wrong...

Why you sample the "end" of the movie, when the generic is display...

99% of tihe time, it's only a big black background with white letter...

This 4 minutes of generic at the end of a movie, calculated by CQMatic don't "false" the result???
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08-08-2003, 09:48 PM
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Hi Rambytes,

CQMatic samples whatever you set in your project file. If you don't want end credits, then cut them off in DVD2AVI, when you do your project file.

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08-08-2003, 09:58 PM
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you're right...
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