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I have tried using several versions of TEMPGenc (258, 259, 2510, 2513, 2520) they all have doubled the size of my movies, i have tried divx, xvid, and dvd sources, the same results. im using avisynth 208, and TOK, the prediction all work normal and everything seems like its going to be fine...but when the movie is done it is twice the size of the predicted size (1.5 gig instead of 700megs) I have not changed anything that i can think of from what i always do, and they used to come out right on the money.

yes i have checked and made sure i told moviestacker and TOK to make a 1 cd encode.
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What is the lenght of your movie?
What is the CQ calculated by Tok ?
What is your script ?

and finally

Did you let Tok do the encoding, or just used it for CQ computing, and then did the encoding yourself, "by hand" ?
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07-25-2003, 06:21 AM
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98 minutes I use 480x480 Mpeg2

TOK says 61.44 sample size just under 12 megs

i use the kvcdx3 (modified to 480x480/576)

this has worked in the past on movies even at 140 minutes perfectly, something went wrong and i cant pinpiont it.

I let TOK do the prediction, then I load the info into TMPEGenc with kwags script myself

could it be avisynth?, i tried to use the new 2.5 version and found it a bit hard for me to mess with, so i went back to 208, or 207, i cant remember the one i used, but far as i can tell its the only thing i have done different.
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07-25-2003, 06:29 AM
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Please post your script and create an avs with the following code and open it in WMP (or similar):
Code:
version()
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07-25-2003, 06:45 AM
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Quote:
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this has worked in the past on movies even at 140 minutes perfectly, something went wrong and i cant pinpiont it.
And you are affirmative about having this problem also with other version than 2.59 of TMPGEnc ?

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I let TOK do the prediction, then I load the info into TMPEGenc with kwags script myself
Try to let Tok doing everything just to be sure that you did'nt forgot to change an option in TMPGEnc (that we have to find to fix your problem )

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could it be avisynth?
No, else the problem will be in the sample also, and the CQ calculated should have be far less than 61.
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I will post my script tomorrow, I am at work today (24 hour shift at the fire dept.) the last one i just did was the boondock saints from a XviD source and i used 2.5.10 and the file size was to be 702mb but came out to be 1.6 gig. then i used 2.5.13 & 2.5.20 on Basic & the Recruit both DVD sources, again the files came out twice the size as predicted. sorry i cant send anything from here but will post my script and TOK prediction file in the morning when I get off duty.

thanx to all that can help.
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07-25-2003, 02:56 PM
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"...I am at work today (24 hour shift at the fire dept.) "


are you a real bombero?


great guy,great work
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07-26-2003, 08:47 AM
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Yes Sir, I am a FireFighter here in Florida for 9 1/2 years, It is a great job, I love what I do very much.

OK, here are the TOK logs for BoonDock Saints, The Big Lebowski and Treasure Planet:

================================================== ===========
ToK Log: F:\My Shared Folder\The BoonDock Saints\TBS.avs
================================================== ===========

Resolution (fps):480x576 (25.000 fps)
Total Frames: 156007
Total Time : 01:44:00
-------------------------------------------------------------

Audio Size: 99,840,000
Required Video Size: 712,166,400

Factor: 60.000
Desired Sample Size: 11,869,440

-------------------------------------------------------------
New Faster Prediction
-------------------------------------------------------------

Full Sample
Next CQ: 60.000. Sample Size: 11,953,360

Exit Condition: 1.000 % reached ! yahoo !

Final CQ: 60.000
Total Time For Predicition: 00:16:56

Total Time (all operations): 00:16:56

Finished

================================================== ===========
ToK Log: F:\My Shared Folder\The Big Lebowski\TBL.avs
================================================== ===========

Resolution (fps):480x480 (23.976 fps)
Total Frames: 168186
Total Time : 01:56:55
-------------------------------------------------------------

Audio Size: 112,240,000
Required Video Size: 699,890,400

Factor: 59.940
Desired Sample Size: 11,676,505

-------------------------------------------------------------
New Faster Prediction
-------------------------------------------------------------

Full Sample
Next CQ: 60.000. Sample Size: 10,410,156
Small Sample
Next CQ: 60.000. Sample Size: 1,101,204
Predicting...
Next CQ: 67.299. Sample Size: 12,088,896
Next CQ: 64.578. Sample Size: 11,337,916
Next CQ: 65.871. Sample Size: 11,282,216
Break. Cause: Decreasing curve. idx = 4. Sample Size: 11,827,547
Next CQ: 66.445. Sample Size: 11,589,084

Exit Condition: 1.000 % reached ! yahoo !
Tries : 5


Final CQ: 66.445
Total Time For Predicition: 00:26:34

Total Time (all operations): 00:26:34

Finished

================================================== ===========
ToK Log: F:\My Shared Folder\Treasure Planet\TP.avs
================================================== ===========

Resolution (fps):480x480 (23.976 fps)
Total Frames: 137449
Total Time : 01:35:33
-------------------------------------------------------------

Audio Size: 91,728,000
Required Video Size: 720,197,280

Factor: 59.940
Desired Sample Size: 12,015,304

-------------------------------------------------------------
New Faster Prediction
-------------------------------------------------------------

Full Sample
Next CQ: 60.000. Sample Size: 8,613,379
Small Sample
Next CQ: 60.000. Sample Size: 693,657
Predicting...
Next CQ: 83.697. Sample Size: 15,680,972
Next CQ: 71.628. Sample Size: 11,294,110
Next CQ: 75.637. Sample Size: 12,627,224
Next CQ: 73.715. Sample Size: 11,503,703
Next CQ: 74.633. Sample Size: 11,968,794

Exit Condition: 1.000 % reached ! yahoo !
Tries : 6


Final CQ: 74.633
Total Time For Predicition: 00:30:31

Total Time (all operations): 00:30:31

Finished

OK, And here are the scripts for those:

#================================================= =====#
# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v2.0.0 (beta3) =- #
#================================================= =====#

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Convolution3D.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\UnFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Sampler.dll")

AviSource("F:\My Shared Folder\The BoonDock Saints\The Boondock Saints.avi")ConvertToYUY2()
LegalClip()
UnFilter(50, 50)
GripCrop(480, 576, overscan=3, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BilinearResize")
STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0, 8, 32)
TemporalSmoother(1, 2)
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
Convolution3D(preset="movieLQ")
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

#================================================= =====#
# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v2.0.0 (beta3) =- #
#================================================= =====#

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Convolution3D.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\UnFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Sampler.dll")

AviSource("F:\My Shared Folder\The Big Lebowski\The.Big.Lebowski.avi")ConvertToYUY2()
LegalClip()
UnFilter(50, 50)
GripCrop(480, 480, overscan=3, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BilinearResize")
STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0, 8, 32)
TemporalSmoother(1, 2)
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
Convolution3D(preset="movieLQ")
GripBorders()
LegalClip()


#================================================= =====#
# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v2.0.0 (beta3) =- #
#================================================= =====#

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Convolution3D.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\UnFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Sampler.dll")

AviSource("F:\My Shared Folder\Treasure Planet\Treasure Planet.avi")
LegalClip()
UnFilter(50, 50)
GripCrop(480, 480, overscan=3, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BilinearResize")
STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0, 8, 32)
TemporalSmoother(1, 2)
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
Convolution3D(preset="movieLQ")
GripBorders()
LegalClip()



Sorry for such a long post, but I thought it would help if you saw a few samples of what I have here. These are the same way I have done a ton of movies even recently, but now no matter what they com out twice the size

Thanx again everyone.......
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07-26-2003, 09:00 AM
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hey Bombero0437

is really strange this final with big size.

overscan 3 don't give black borders in your tv?

did you try to find the prediction using CQMatic?
test using the same source if the final CQ is the same or seamless.

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07-26-2003, 09:09 AM
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overscan 3 fits perfect on my TV not sure why but it does, anyway it saves me some xtra room for video quality. No i have not tried QMatic, I will in a fe minutes and get back, I just got home and have to cut the grass not, what fun! it will be 98' degrees in an hour from now so I have to get it done now.
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07-26-2003, 10:23 AM
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i am trying to use QMatic, i made have evrything i need to work except for i have no idea how to find the average bitrate of a file that has not been made yet? QMatic keeps asking for it, but where and how do i get it?
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07-26-2003, 11:47 AM
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ok, figured out that moviestaker gives the average bitrate, it gave me an average of 925, so i put that in Cmatic it stated to us a CQ of 90, so somthing is still very wrong here.........
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hey Bombero0437
post your doubts in the CQMatic thread


and yes,put the average and the time of the movie in CQMatic.
learn how to do the tmpgenc project in the thread.
is easy,read the instructions and notes:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5145&start=0


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I went and downloaded TMPGEnc 2.520.54.163 core 1.97.151 from the official website, and it worked out perfect! Ill tell you where my problem was, I got the others from a popular P2P file sharing deal, and maybe they were not the real deal or had been modified or somthing, but now it worx fine. Thanx to all that replied, i guess it was a false alarm here on my end................
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false alarm is better than fire.


i'm happy that you solve your problems my friend!

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thanx jorel, you have been very helpful, people like you and kwag make this site a pleasure to visit.......
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