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Hey Kwag,

I tried your new beta template 352x240 to do Kate & Leopold (120 min). I did the video stream only and it came to 819 MB, as for the Audio, its going to be about 230mb. Anything I can do to fit it on one cd?

I switched to the new DVD2AVI (v1.77) and when I got the d2v file it came with a number of AC3 files. Should I use DVD2AVI to generate a WAV or just work with the AC3 file in HeadAC3HE?

Last problem I'm having is a source issue I think... When I encode VOB rips individually, the audio is in sync with the video. But when i encode them as one large movie the audio goes out of sync somewhere in the middle of what is VOB 4 of 6 VOB's total. I did this with the old template, the standard vcd template, its always the same problem. So what I did was encode 1-3 in one file and 4 in one file and 5-6 in one file and tried merging them together. When I merge the files, I get a highpitched squeak at the point where the merge occurs. Is there a way I can just use my newly encoded beta template 819 mb file and mux it with in headac3he so that the audio is in sync?

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Hi Spyglass:

I am using DVD2AVI 1.76, because AviSynth doesn't work with DVD2AVI 1.77.x. They changed the structure of the .d2v file.
I would suggest you stick to version 1.76 and extract "demux" the AC3 file, and process it externally with headAC3he. You should only get a single AC3 file. Not multiple AC3 files. Then use an .avs script created with FitCD to process your video stream only with TMPEG.
Then mux the streams together with BBmpeg. It has worked for me every time, with perfect audio/video sync.

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there is a choice to demux all the ac3's or just one, make sure you pick the one you want, and just demux that one.
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I did two reencodes last night the first one was with the "Do not frame rate conversion" and the second was without. In both cases the audio drifted. It was worse with the "Do not frame rate conversion".

This is what I did, any tell me if I am doing something wrong:

1. VOB's ripped to HD
2. DVD2AVI extracted AC3 file (Forced Film checked)
3. Tmpgenc Video only encode with the 352x240 beta template
- Source Aspect ratio 16:9 525line Full screen (keep center), Output 4:3.

4. HeadAC3he AC3 file to MP2 file.
5. Mux in BBMpeg

Check: Audio in sync at the beginning, progressively gets worse.

I tried just doing a straight encode of one VOB file instead of all of them together and it is in sync. I'll try encoding each VOB file separately and maybe merging them together. Last time I tried merging files I got an Audio sharp noise beep at the point of merge.

Any ideas anyone?

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07-11-2002, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Spyglass
I did two reencodes last night the first one was with the "Do not frame rate conversion" and the second was without. In both cases the audio drifted. It was worse with the "Do not frame rate conversion".

This is what I did, any tell me if I am doing something wrong:

1. VOB's ripped to HD
2. DVD2AVI extracted AC3 file (Forced Film checked)
3. Tmpgenc Video only encode with the 352x240 beta template
- Source Aspect ratio 16:9 525line Full screen (keep center), Output 4:3.

4. HeadAC3he AC3 file to MP2 file.
5. Mux in BBMpeg

Check: Audio in sync at the beginning, progressively gets worse.

I tried just doing a straight encode of one VOB file instead of all of them together and it is in sync. I'll try encoding each VOB file separately and maybe merging them together. Last time I tried merging files I got an Audio sharp noise beep at the point of merge.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks
Spyglass.
Hi Spyglass:

This could be one of two things. Something happened when you ripped your movie, or something is wrong with your version of DVD2AVI. I'm using DVD2AVI 1.76 and DVDDecrypter Version 3.1.1.0.

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07-11-2002, 12:25 PM
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@SpyGlass
I have the same problem with the sound as you when I encoded "Proof of Life". It's in sync in the beginning and moves out of sync as the movie progresses. I'm not sure of the settings in HeadAc3he. Are we supposed to select VBR or CBR? Do we select downmix to 44.1?
I'm running it through FitCd again according to kwags template to see if I get the same encode as he.
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@SpyGlass
I have the same problem with the sound as you when I encoded "Proof of Life". It's in sync in the beginning and moves out of sync as the movie progresses. I'm not sure of the settings in HeadAc3he. Are we supposed to select VBR or CBR? Do we select downmix to 44.1?
I'm running it through FitCd again according to kwags template to see if I get the same encode as he.
Take a look in this thread: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....6e07d81b5385c7
I posted a screenshot of the correct parameters for muxing in BBmpeg.
Also, be sure to 'check" the "Resample to: 44.1Khz"

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07-11-2002, 01:50 PM
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Kwag,
I think the problem might have been the tmpenc settings because now with using your FitCd template the output is the same as your sample. Before, in the first part of the movie where Castle Rock promo comes up, the sun was enlongated top to bottom. Now the sun looks round as it should be. I have found before that if your source in Tmpenc is not correct the sound will always be off. This may explain why some have sound sync problems and others don't. I'll know for sure after I'm through encoding if that was the problem.

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I am using DVD2AVI 1.76, because AviSynth doesn't work with DVD2AVI 1.77.x. They changed the structure of the .d2v file.
Why do you say that it doesn't work with DVD2Avi 1.77.x? How can you tell if it's not working?

I've just learned and started using Fitcd a week ago, so the Script generated by Avisynth wasn't working all along? I thought it did. It was working withe the resizing but I thought the temporal smoothing was producing no difference from the video produced directly fed from the d2v file.
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I am using DVD2AVI 1.76, because AviSynth doesn't work with DVD2AVI 1.77.x. They changed the structure of the .d2v file.
Why do you say that it doesn't work with DVD2Avi 1.77.x? How can you tell if it's not working?

I've just learned and started using Fitcd a week ago, so the Script generated by Avisynth wasn't working all along? I thought it did. It was working withe the resizing but I thought the temporal smoothing was producing no difference from the video produced directly fed from the d2v file.
You can test it like this:
Open the .d2v with TMPEG, and start encoding. You should see the video in TMPEG's window. Now stop the encoding and try to open the .avs. If you get an error, pointing at the line in your .avs where it opens the .d2v file, that's it. With a .d2v created with DVD2AVI 1.76, the file opens correctly, and you'll see the video in TMPEG's window.

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07-12-2002, 10:35 AM
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@Kwag

I encoded all my VOB files separately (6 of them) and read the individual AC3 files (output from DVD2AVI) into HeadAC3he and converted them into MP2 files. Interestingly enough the AC3 file name output from DVD2AVi was something like: 3 AC3 blah blah blah_DELAY -183ms.AC3 Anyways, I muxxed all the mp2 files with their corresponding m1v files (encoded in Tmpgenc) and all 6 individual mpg files were in sync. Then when I decided to merge all 6 mpg files in Tmpgenc into one big file for burning, the audio went out of sync. Any idea?

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Originally Posted by Spyglass
@Kwag

I encoded all my VOB files separately (6 of them) and read the individual AC3 files (output from DVD2AVI) into HeadAC3he and converted them into MP2 files. Interestingly enough the AC3 file name output from DVD2AVi was something like: 3 AC3 blah blah blah_DELAY -183ms.AC3 Anyways, I muxxed all the mp2 files with their corresponding m1v files (encoded in Tmpgenc) and all 6 individual mpg files were in sync. Then when I decided to merge all 6 mpg files in Tmpgenc into one big file for burning, the audio went out of sync. Any idea?

Spyglass.
Yes. The merging function in TMPEG is completely buggy!. You can cut mpeg files with TMPEG's tools, but not join them
That's why I'm currently using BBmpeg for all the muxing. I only use TMPEG for encoding and demuxing.

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07-15-2002, 09:01 AM
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@Spyglass
I'm having the exact same problem as you, I can't get the mux to work on the whole movie. I wish I could get this to work so I could have the better sound.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyglass
@Kwag

I encoded all my VOB files separately (6 of them) and read the individual AC3 files (output from DVD2AVI) into HeadAC3he and converted them into MP2 files. Interestingly enough the AC3 file name output from DVD2AVi was something like: 3 AC3 blah blah blah_DELAY -183ms.AC3 Anyways, I muxxed all the mp2 files with their corresponding m1v files (encoded in Tmpgenc) and all 6 individual mpg files were in sync. Then when I decided to merge all 6 mpg files in Tmpgenc into one big file for burning, the audio went out of sync. Any idea?

Spyglass.
Hi Spyglass !
I'm not sure about this but anyway : I think that prob is u'r audio 3 AC3 blah blah blah_DELAY -183ms . Look closely -183ms is wrong number to get for audio track . I've read somewhere ( I think in Odedia's miniDVD guide ) that right number for audio has to be -65ms or something like that(-60ms?) .I'm not sure that this is relevant for u'r prob but check if u can extract another audio track and encode it . Maybe it'll solve the PROB .
If this can't help than try to use Camil's MPEG joiner (CMgJoiner) . I have good result with this joiner too .
At last u can burn all files on right order with NERO as thay are . U suppesed to get effect of one whole mpeg file . I prefferably use this instead of merging and it works file for me .
I hope this can help U !!!!
bman
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hi Spyglass,

here's a thread from vcdhelp where others are having the same problem with "Kate & Leopold" ->http://forum.vcdhelp.com/viewtopic.p...highlight=kate
which ripper are u using? I had problems ripping "proof of life" with Smartripper, then I tried it with DVD Decrypter and it worked perfectly.
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I looked at the VCDhelp site and read all the posts there. Seems they are having no luck with this. I'm going back to running the video and audio through Tmpgenc, it syncs when I do this.
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This is what I did with Kate & Leopold.
As someone has pointed out, the problem is in VOB 4. I used SmartRipper to rip each VOB separately. I then combined VOBs 1,2, and 3 and put them on one disc using kwag 704X480 plus template. VOBs 4, 5, 6, and 7 went onto disc 2.

The results are great and the audio sync is ok on both discs.
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