Panasonic AG-1970 video PQ looks worse?

[originalsboy11]

Hello! I have a question related to a Panasonic AG-1970 machine I've gotten. I've noticed that when it plays tapes, it looks like the PQ looks worse than compared to other VCRs I've played it on. Example:

Tape played on the Panasonic AG-1970 via S-Video on my ATI TV Wonder 600:

Panasonic AG1970.png
Same tape played on my JVC SR-MV45 on my ATI TV Wonder 600 and S-Video:

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What I'm wonder is if it's a head-related issue or cable-related issue or is it normal for this VCR?

Thanks in advance!

[lordsmurf]

Is is a worse deck than the MV45, but not that much worse. So yes to both, mixed answer.

I have both decks myself.

We need to see the same image for comparison, to rule out tape issues.

More also needs to be known about the source. These appear to be nth gen (not master/1st-gen recordings) of CN. That's some really bad chroma, if both have TBCs already turned on.

BTW, toon collector here, fan of that CN era, and HB toons, so extra interested in your project. I forget which toon that is offhand (Pixie and Dixie?), not sure if I have copies. And wasn't it officially released from the Warner Archives? Edit: Looked it up. Yes P&D, no release.

[Formica]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

BTW, toon collector here, fan of that CN era, and HB toons, so extra interested in your project. I forget which toon that is offhand (Pixie and Dixie?), not sure if I have copies. And wasn't it officially released from the Warner Archives? Edit: Looked it up. Yes P&D, no release.

Pixie and Dixie was part of the Huckleberry Hound Show, so the DVD episodes were released under that umbrella title.

[originalsboy11]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Is is a worse deck than the MV45, but not that much worse. So yes to both, mixed answer.

I have both decks myself.

We need to see the same image for comparison, to rule out tape issues.

More also needs to be known about the source. These appear to be nth gen (not master/1st-gen recordings) of CN. That's some really bad chroma, if both have TBCs already turned on.

BTW, toon collector here, fan of that CN era, and HB toons, so extra interested in your project. I forget which toon that is offhand (Pixie and Dixie?), not sure if I have copies. And wasn't it officially released from the Warner Archives? Edit: Looked it up. Yes P&D, no release.

My apologies, here's the same (or near similar) frame from the Panasonic image passed by the SR-MV45.
JVC SRMV45 2.png

Also, about the tape itself, it doesn't seem to be a 2nd or 3rd gen recording (then again, I got it from eBay so I can't say much).

OT: Yeah, for my project, I just collect tapes off eBay and other places to transfer and share them if possible to YT if there's anything interesting.

[latreche34]

I think it's time to retire that VCR, You wouldn't know what's wrong with it until you do all the tests according to the service manual, Who knows what you will find, it could be worn heads, failing capacitors, ...etc. One thing you can do without service manual is give the tape path a good clean including the video heads and go from there.

[hodgey]

Judging by the service manuals, the AG1970P doesn't have 3D digital noise reduction like the JVCs do (when TBC/DNR is enabled), which does a fair bit to clean up noisy chroma, so it will probably be a bit noisier even on a well working one. It has analog CNR like most VCRs do, but that isn't as effective as it can only work to cancel out variations between a few lines. It doesn't have the more fancy digital processing that the 1980P does either.

Bad and aging capacitors (which is a common issue on 90s panasonic decks) and other things can of course also impact it, so not saying there isn't anything wrong with it.