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Originally Posted by nsterge
I’ve been looking at vcrs with tbc on eBay and they seem to be quite expensive.
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Expensive compared to what?
- If compared to a VCR from Walmart 20 years ago, sure, I guess. But that's like calling an SUV expensive compared to a budget compact car. Not the same level whatsoever, unfair to compare pricing.
- But if comparing to MSRP for the same item, no, price is either lower, about the same (ie, still less expensive in 2021 dollars) -- rarely more than MSRP for JVC VCRs, unless refurbished (and even then, some models are still less than MSRP).
Prices on eBay are actually low, but the problem with eBay is you're overpaying for junk. Most eBay sellers are video know-nothings, and have no educated basis on which to deem items "working" or "tested".
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I’ve seen es-15 for significantly less than the tbc vcrs and wanted to know if that would be a good option to try. Thanks again for your help!
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Just as good? No.
But sometimes still a decent 2nd choice, with quality degradations? Yes.
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Originally Posted by nsterge
are the recorders acting as a tbc
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Not really, but sort of.
The ES10/15 is a strong+crippled line TBC with non-TBC frame sync. That can work, under certain circumstances, but it has a fail rate (tapes still won't convert well, or at all).
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and if so are they just superior to the tbc in the vcrs,
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No.
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or are they doing other processing?
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Yes -- and not in a good way. See next quote...
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Originally Posted by latreche34
Yes they do other processing, The things you watch out for is the luma level and sharpness that can be changed by these devices.
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Don't forget posterization, which is color compression. It can be mild to ugly. This is the main reason that ES10/15 is only suggested for net-benefit projects (anti-tearing), not as a general-use poor man's TBC (or trying to use it as such, at least).
nsterge, you have tearing, you need ES10 or 15. (No, not 20/25/etc, not other models.)