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02-25-2023, 01:45 PM
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Hi i did buy a Snell TBS800 and it looks to work very good it does have firmware 3.05c and 3.05b i think latest is 3.05d but the servers are down so i can not get it :/

i did have little problem to get the web interface to work but after about 2 hour trial & error i did get it to work i think it needs older web browser 32 bit or Chrome "IE TAB" plugin and Java 1.6 to get it to work but now it works and now i can remote control it with web browser

in Snell TBS800 i have

Comb filter = Enable
Analog NR = Enable
Sync Mode = Enable

everything else is Disable


here is some screen shots

Panasonic NV-HS930 TBC ON > S-video > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD
Panasonic NV-HS930 TBC ON > Composite > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD
Panasonic NV-HS930 TBC ON > S-video > AJA IO HD
Panasonic NV-HS930 TBC ON > Composite > AJA IO HD


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File Type: png HS930_TBC_ON_Svideo_TBS800_AJA_IO_HD.png (908.4 KB, 26 downloads)
File Type: png HS930_TBC_ON_Composit_TBS800_AJA_IO_HD.png (872.8 KB, 17 downloads)
File Type: png HS930_TBC_ON_Svideo_AJA_IO_HD.png (923.3 KB, 20 downloads)
File Type: png HS930_TBC_ON_Composit_AJA_IO_HD.png (933.7 KB, 14 downloads)

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Congratulations on your new device, I gotta setup mine with web interface too to get to the settings, Though you can still access most of the settings from the front panel and LCD display.

In the first two examples is the Aja is just used as a raw digital ingest using SDI, or it is used in analog capture mode and the TBS800 is in analog passthrough, If it is the later connect it in ingest mode and post two more samples, Video samples are preferred.

The 3rd and 4th screenshots are a little bit noisier but I can't comment until I know the exact workflow connections, Overall all screenshots are noisy but that could be that the VCR is in sharp mode.

I've also noticed in the Aja only screenshots there is a slight flagging at the top, about 1 degree bend, While the TBS800 has a perfectly square frame, this demonstrates the capability of the TBS800's line TBC as I demonstrated it over at vhelp.

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
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02-25-2023, 02:18 PM
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Congratulations on your new device, I gotta setup mine with web interface too to get to the settings, Though you can still access most of the settings from the front panel and LCD display.

In the first two examples is the Aja is just used as a raw digital ingest using SDI, or it is used in analog capture mode and the TBS800 is in analog passthrough, If it is the later connect it in ingest mode and post two more samples, Video samples are preferred.

The 3rd and 4th screenshots are a little bit noisier but I can't comment until I know the exact workflow connections, Overall all screenshots are noisy but that could be that the VCR is in sharp mode.

I've also noticed in the Aja only screenshots there is a slight flagging at the top, about 1 degree bend, While the TBS800 has a perfectly square frame, this demonstrates the capability of the TBS800's line TBC as I demonstrated it over at vhelp.

Hi yes SDI from Snell TBS800 to AJA io HD i did edit the post now and i capture in Prores 422 LT

the TEST vhs Tape i have recorded with Panasonic nv-fs200 not sure how good or bad that VCR is

maybe i post a little Video samples to

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02-25-2023, 03:03 PM
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Yes definitly the TBS800 is way better than the Aja card in analog mode as the Aja lacks line TBC, So just keep using it in digital ingest mode then.

The TBS800 can also be used in analog passthrough, There is a guy who demonstarted it with the BM Intensity Shuttle on YouTube, But I think it was the 600 model which are very similar.
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02-25-2023, 03:20 PM
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Yes definitly the TBS800 is way better than the Aja card in analog mode as the Aja lacks line TBC, So just keep using it in digital ingest mode then.

The TBS800 can also be used in analog passthrough, There is a guy who demonstarted it with the BM Intensity Shuttle on YouTube, But I think it was the 600 model which are very similar.
Yes i'm very happy with TBS800

here are some Video Samples


Attached Files
File Type: mov HS930_TBC_ON_Svideo_TBS800.mov (31.76 MB, 22 downloads)
File Type: mov HS930_TBC_ON_Composit_TBS800.mov (31.17 MB, 7 downloads)
File Type: mov HS930_TBC_ON_Svideo_AJA_IO_HD.mov (32.43 MB, 15 downloads)
File Type: mov HS930_TBC_ON_Composit_AJA_IO_HD.mov (32.80 MB, 5 downloads)

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I've also noticed in the Aja only screenshots there is a slight flagging at the top, about 1 degree bend, While the TBS800 has a perfectly square frame, this demonstrates the capability of the TBS800's line TBC as I demonstrated it over at vhelp.
Odd that it would be able to correct for anything given that the TBC on the VCR is enabled in all of the samples (unless they are mislabeled).

OP also specified that noise reduction was on on the TBS so it makes sense that the videos/screens without it would be noisier.
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02-25-2023, 04:09 PM
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For some tapes the line TBC in the VCR is the one that creates flagging, So an external line TBC re-time those line errors, As I posted before in other threads I was impressed by the TBS-800's line TBC.

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
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02-26-2023, 12:42 PM
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I put little more Video Samples i hope it does not take to much space if it does admin can delete it of course

VCR's

JVC HR-S8500 Super-VHS
NOKIA 3786 Regular VHS = No super-vhs

Files

JVC HR-S8500 Setting_1
JVC HR-S8500 Setting_2
JVC HR-S8500 TBC OFF > Composite > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD
JVC HR-S8500 TBC OFF > S-Video > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD
JVC HR-S8500 TBC ON > Composite > AJA IO HD
JVC HR-S8500 TBC ON > S-Video > AJA IO HD
JVC HR-S8500 TBC ON > Composite > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD
JVC HR-S8500 TBC ON > S-Video > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD
NOKIA 3786 > Composite > AJA IO HD
NOKIA 3786 > Composite > Snell TBS800 > SDI > AJA IO HD


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File Type: png JVC_s8500_Setting_1.png (425.5 KB, 7 downloads)
File Type: png JVC_s8500_Setting_2.png (360.3 KB, 7 downloads)
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File Type: mov JVC_s8500 TBC OFF_TBS800_Composite_AJA_IO_HD.mov (31.62 MB, 2 downloads)
File Type: mov JVC_s8500 TBC OFF_TBS800_Svideo_AJA_IO_HD.mov (32.55 MB, 4 downloads)
File Type: mov JVC_s8500 TBC ON_Composite_AJA_IO_HD.mov (33.25 MB, 2 downloads)
File Type: mov JVC_s8500 TBC ON_Svideo_AJA_IO_HD.mov (32.42 MB, 6 downloads)
File Type: mov JVC_s8500 TBC ON_TBS800_Composite_AJA_IO_HD.mov (32.05 MB, 1 downloads)
File Type: mov JVC_s8500 TBC ON_TBS800_Svideo_AJA_IO_HD.mov (32.58 MB, 6 downloads)
File Type: mov Nokia 3786_Copmposite_AJA_IO_HD 2.mov (32.71 MB, 4 downloads)
File Type: mov Nokia 3786_Copmposite_TBS800_AJA_IO_HD.mov (31.45 MB, 5 downloads)
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02-26-2023, 01:50 PM
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B.E.S.T should be left on, It calibrates the videoheads pre-amp based on the tape formulation and the RF signal level recorded on tape, OSD should be OFF during capturing, Digital 3R is okay to be OFF but it may help with some tapes.

Composite samples are very predictible, The difference is always sharper luma and less chroma artifacts. What are the setting for the TBS800?

I have also noticed in the Nokia VCR samples wwhich are filled with dot crawl, expected for a regular VCR, the TBS800 has actually a very good comb filter, it removed most of it except in the transition lines which is hard to eliminate.

Have you tried the TBS800 in analog passthrough, I know it is not necessary to convert back to analog but just to see how it performs in that mode.

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos

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B.E.S.T should be left on, It calibrates the videoheads pre-amp based on the tape formulation and the RF signal level recorded on tape, OSD should be OFF during capturing, Digital 3R is okay to be OFF but it may help with some tapes.

Composite samples are very predictible, The difference is always sharper luma and less chroma artifacts.

Have you tried the TBS800 in analog passthrough, I know it is not necessary to convert back to analog but just to see how it performs in that mode.
Thanks for the setting tips

i have not yet test the analog passthrough with the test tape but i did test it with some other tapes the first day i did get the Snell TBS800
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Hello
please can you help me
I tried most java versions but it is not working
I tried the IE tab also
one java version showed the settings but didn't work correctly and didn't show any information from the device.
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Hi if i remember right it must be 32bit web Browser and java 32 bit
i have it working on two of my computers windows and osx but it did take some time for me to get it to work 32 bit java and 32bit web Browser

OSX
How to Change Safari to 32-Bit Mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbDoNvfQpTs

maybe this java https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1572?locale=en_US

WINDOWS
try with windows internet explorer 32 bit web Browser and Java 6 32bit or was it JRE 1.6 32 bit

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There seems to be a fair amount of "ringing" or multiple ghost images at high contrast areas, so like where black lines meet grey and the ghosting part seems to always occur to the right. Is that the test pattern generator causing that, or is there any way to reduce it? Also, what is the source of the pattern? Is that an internal pattern from the TBS or a separate device?
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Hi i'm not sure maybe my VCR i did record the TEST Tape with Panasonic nv-fs200

the TEST was from a PAL DVD

this one Digital Video Essentials
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Vid.../dp/B00009WW03
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01-13-2024, 06:27 PM
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Highly likely source related as both the TBS800 and Aja exhibit the same amount of ringing. To find out for sure feed a live digital still or video from a media player or a DVD player without being recorded on a tape.

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
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Hi yes maybe i try to do that to see where the problem is some day to lazy right now
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