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02-23-2013, 06:13 AM
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Well i donīt expect much to have really happened. But still worth asking.

What are people using, is there any New models that are working brilliantly with old stuff, or is it still ATI AIW and the old AGP that should be used for best results?
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02-23-2013, 08:15 AM
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For SD, there's no reason to look beyond what you already know. Be that AIW cards, TVW sticks, DV h/w and the like. At most, entry level Blackmagic products are the newest I'd consider, since they're fairly priced. But I imagine the analog-tailored AIW AGP would still beat them.

For serious HD, there are new Thunderbolt-equipped cards designed for uncompressed capture. Which you absolutely otherwise don't need. Past that, there's the latest heavyweight stuff from AJA which...let's not even go there.
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02-23-2013, 08:58 AM
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I see, well would be nice to have something that can take both 1080p60(in 30 fps as 60 is impossible i think), and high quality Analogue capture.

But i guess building a system with the AIW is still the way to go.
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02-23-2013, 09:23 AM
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both 1080p60 ... and high quality Analogue capture.
That's really the problem -- you're trying to make a single device do two separate things.
- SD is one thing.
- HD is another.

As such, the best hardware can only do one, or do one well. If you try to make hardware do two things at once, it does so with reduced quality. Or more likely, both at terrible quality.

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02-23-2013, 10:17 AM
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But i guess building a system with the AIW is still the way to go.
If you're set on the best, sure, but even an ATI 600 should do fine. No need to spend more unless you're not satisfied with the cheaper options, IMO. The priority is what's being fed into the card anyway, all of them will falter on a bad signal.
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02-23-2013, 10:45 AM
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kpmedia, yes i know. And sadly, as itīs to good to be true, it isnīt;P

Yeah well, i am not a Fan of using USB devices, i prefer "real hardware", but what are the main differences between ATI 600, and the AGP cards that seems like the best cards around?

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02-24-2013, 08:05 AM
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Wondering, what Capture Card would you recommend, should i choose the AGP way and build a separate system (prefer not too).
Or can i achieve same quality with PCI/-E Versions of Capture Cards?
As AIW seems like the High Quality choices.
And you are probably one of the most knowledgeable people out there.
Got your PM. I'm a bit out of the loop (still recovering, not better) by a few months, but I doubt anything has changed. It's mostly a choice ATI from about 2001-2009. (AIW to 2006, ATI 600 to 2009.) Then the older professional/NLE gear from Matrox, Canopus (not DV), etc. If you want "new" there's Aja, more Matrox, and Blackmagic, but each is not without it's issues/flaws.

The big difference between the ATI 600 USB and ATI AIW AGP/PCI/PCI-E cards is better luma/chroma/gamma. Just slightly, but it's better.

As time goes on, more and more is only found used; i.e. eBay, our marketplace, etc.

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02-24-2013, 10:46 AM
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Oh, i am so sorry for my ignorance.

Didnīt know about that at all, i hope you making some real progress, wish you the best of luck!

And for the topic, it seems like the old Ati AIW is the way to go, sadly i canīt find any right now it seems.
And i have problems distinguishing the Graphic Cards from the Capture cards;S

But, lordsmurf, hope you get better, a stroke isnīt something to brush under the carpet so to speak!
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02-24-2013, 11:01 AM
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There's some on Amazon for a good price, mint in box:
All are under $100.

When these cards were new, they were $300+ each.
Don't be one of those people that tries to find it for $50. That's not reasonable. You'll get crap, incomplete cards, etc.

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02-24-2013, 11:08 AM
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The problem is that i live in Sweden, the shipment is often unavailable, or expensive.
But i will take your word on it. Cause i was looking for very cheap ones as i thought, well, they were old.

But as complete as these cards are for Analogue capture, it worth the extra cost surely.

Which is recommended, is the X600 Pro as good as the other ones?
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02-24-2013, 11:11 AM
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We can always be your shipping proxy. Ship here, then there. Still not that expensive, really, all things considered.
It's an option. Contact me if you ever want to do it.

I won't really charge you anything. Maybe $4 to get a burger, or cover gas.

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I will probably see that as a good solution, as Amazon and Ebay lack the options to ship to Europe, and when they do, itīs often some extremely expensive options.

But as said earlier, are all the AIW Pcie as AGP the "same", or is it any specific i should be getting?

I donīt have AGP, so PCI-/E would be nice.

And which of the cards have the Macrovision problems, i think i remember that the old AIW cards was extremely sensitive, or if it maybe was the newer AIW cards..
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02-24-2013, 11:22 AM
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All cards detect Macrovision. Use a TBC anyway.
We use PCI-E too. I like the AGP cards more, but it's okay. (The older ATI drivers/software is nicer. It's mostly the same.)
The new cards have hardware, encoding, however! In addition to the hybrid method.

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02-24-2013, 11:25 AM
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Yeah but i know that some are sensitive and detect Macrovision, even when itīs not there.

Hmm, when you say hardware, do you mean limited to it?
Cause i want it to be able to capture is Virtualdub (or similar) in complete Lossless codecs.
I donīt want to be forced with MPEG or the like.
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02-24-2013, 11:28 AM
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In addition to ... not limited to. Hardware encoding + hybrid hardware/software encoding.
It works with VirtualDub.
It's a versatile card: MPEG, AVI, and other stuff.

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Ah good. I am happy as long as i can capture software mode, and donīt have the need for that horrible "White Crush" that my current Capture Card has.

It seems that PCI/E is the way to go for me

There isnīt any specific card in that area then?
All is pretty much the same?
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02-24-2013, 12:49 PM
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All are pretty much the same -- only the graphics is different, and that's not what matters.

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danno78 over on VideoHelp has a PCIe card that he has "built" on request for at least two people (I am one of them). He is in Romania so maybe shipping cost to Sweden is better than to here. I say "built" because the other confirmed recipient wasn't pleased when he discovered that the card is a combination of a specific AVerMedia MiniPCIe board from a laptop and a MiniPCIe to PCIe bridge.

It does TBC and 3D Y/C. I haven't been able to test the latter yet.
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02-27-2013, 03:53 PM
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I see, well i have had an AverMedia, and it didnīt do so well. Though i didnīt have a TBC, and still havenīt got one, as i havenīt had a need for it as my current card can do just fine without it for some reason.

And with that i want to ask a question, does TBC bypass Macrovision, so i can capture Macrovision with those ATI cards?
As i guess some tapes probably have it.
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02-27-2013, 06:33 PM
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a external TBC will defeat macrovision no problem.
i've personally used a For.a FA-125 and a Keywest BVTBC10 and both killed macrovison
a TBC-1000 or a AVT-8710 will do the same
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