VCR Buying Guide (S-VHS, D-VHS, Professional) for restoring video

[lordsmurf]

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Originally Posted by NJRoadfan

The MiniDV/SVHS combo decks likely output DV format video via firewire. The DVHS decks encode to a MPEG-2 Transport Stream with 256kbit MPEG-1 Layer 2 (mp2) audio. I think the bit rate is set at whatever the DVHS record speed is set at. STD mode DVHS recording is 14.1Mbit/sec.

Yep.

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Originally Posted by Quasipal

I don't see much about the PAL JVC HR-S8700EK deck. From 2000, all the filters and of course the switchable TBV/DNR. I think that there was a 8600 too from the previous generation - that one looked the same but had dynamic drum.

I'm currently re-working the VCR listing. Thanks for your input. It helps.

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Originally Posted by ShadowChaos

Now, why the JVC SR-VS10U over the JVC SR-VS30U. I am considering this deck as my top pick for transferring VHS/VHS-c via 1394 to my pc. Is this pretty much the best (or at least a pretty good one?) Can anyone recommend this or another VCR with 1394 to capture from the VHS deck? (I think this is pretty much the only way to capture a vhs tape via firewire) Thanks.

I don't like combo decks. When one feature breaks, the whole unit is dead. You're honestly better off with a separate JVC S-VHS VCR, and some sort of DV converter. If you just want to gamble, and have a unit in mint condition, then go for it. Remember: no external TBC allowed.

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Originally Posted by volksjager

either is fine
but the 10 is better built - JVC started to cheap out on later decks
the early ones either had more metal/less plastic and/or where built in Japan instead of Malaysia/China
if you dont need the Mini-DV drive then i highly recommend NOT using a combo deck
they have twice as many things to fail and do more often than single purpose decks
probably the best JVC deck with firewire are the HM-DH5U and the HM-DT100U
i dont recommend using the 1394 -
ive tried and result are not as good as an AIW via S-Video
and using firewire means you cant use an inline TBC

^ This.

[ShadowChaos]

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Originally Posted by NJRoadfan

The MiniDV/SVHS combo decks likely output DV format video via firewire. The DVHS decks encode to a MPEG-2 Transport Stream with 256kbit MPEG-1 Layer 2 (mp2) audio. I think the bit rate is set at whatever the DVHS record speed is set at. STD mode DVHS recording is 14.1Mbit/sec.

Thanks for the reply, I am trying to understand this. So which is better to use?

[Goldwingfahrer]

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The MiniDV/SVHS combo decks likely output DV format video via firewire.

likely = imprecisely
sure = yes

see screen...JVC HR DVS1 +2 + 3 ...instancing

D-VHS
since I only have 2 PAL models .... 14.1 Mbps on a 300-minutes of tape, so totally 21 hours.

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MPEG-2 Transport Stream with 256kbit MPEG-1 Layer 2 (mp2) audio.

rather program stream
Audio yes ... MPEG1 Layer 2
My two D-VHS only DV in..not a DV-out

[Simmo10]

Hi, i'm new to the forum but I've been researching this thread for a while. I hope I have posted in the right place and I wasn't meant to start a new thread.

I have a JVC HR-S7600 and i'm trying to convert an old cartoon on tape that wasn't released on DVD. I've had the tape for at least 15 years and every now and then while it's playing it has some lines come up across the screen with a heavy buzzing sound. I decided to buy another copy that hadn't been played to death, the new tape arrived and looked like new. I played the tape and the picture looked perfect with no lines or buzzing except now the audio sounds quiet and muffled. I noticed the video player displays differently when I put each tape in described below in the order of what happens:

Old tape: Flashes up 'SVHS' and 'BEST' and the two speakers under the audio level monitor stay displayed. The audio levels peak right to the top.

New tape: The two speakers under the audio level monitor disappear and 'norm' is displayed instead. A few seconds later 'BEST' is displayed but no 'SVHS'. The audio levels stay low.

I was wondering why the audio is muffled on the new tape and the settings change when the new tape appears to be in better condition and if there's anything I can try to get the audio in better quality.

Thanks

[latreche34]

Would the JVC HR-S6970 considered good quality? It doesn't have TBC but would it be fine if I use the TBC on my capture box VMC-1 I like it because it is a multi standard VHS/S-VHS/S-VHS ET

[Goldwingfahrer]

The JVC HR-S 6970 is not a bad player, but depending on the tape I would also try a 2 or Panasonic.
Then the recorder outputs use the best picture.
VMC-1
....... this is the Edirol?
But that's not spend in DV-AVI.
S-Video in ........ TBC Settings ....... S-Video out.
The Edirol time was the competitor to the Canopus ADVC-300

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/234...rol-Vmc-1.html

[latreche34]

Yes it is Edirol, I've used it and the TBC makes a quite a difference, I'm just questioning the quality of the S6970 compared to S7600 if we leave the TBC aside.

[Goldwingfahrer]

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..... the quality of the S6970 compared to S7600 if we leave the TBC aside.

each make a comparison capture

In video editing program on track 1 and 2
Align frame accurate
To switch and control the interlaced control monitor differential filter

I'm doing something in Edius ... output S-Video with the Canopus NX card.
I can I get 2 movies in 2 different recorders quickly compare them here.

But I have shown only a few days ago comparisons of various TBC here with pictures.
Here are a few pictures, as many recorders or feeders are used, depending on the band.

Sometimes many recorder must be compared, as shown in Figure 3.
right in the picture.
Yes ... that's a lot of work
but so you know which feeder spends the best picture

[Luca T]

Hi guys, I'm about to buy a VCR and following all your advices on the first post I searched really a lot online but I could find quite few vcr available in my area and still quite expensive

Anyway I really need a good one to save more than 100 old vhs

I could find:

Jvc HS-S 9850eu
Or
Jvc HM-DR 10000
Or
Panasonic NV-HS 1000
Or
Panasonic NV-HS 950

Which one would you suggest?

does the HM-DR 10000 worth the difference of price?

Thanks a lot

[Goldwingfahrer]

JVC HR S9850 is but the NTSC version?
JVC HR-S9800's my PAL model.
I had 3 pieces NV-HS950, all scrap

Currently on a Capture Station is a JVC HM-DR10000
A HS-1000 and the identical Pana AG4700 are here as a reserve.

You need luck to get a good recorder to

[themaster1]

jvc's are good for commercial tapes (i have two of them one with tbc/dnr the other not) but for old tapes (possibly worn to death) i always heard pana are better because of the separate dnr/tbc system ..more flexibility

[Luca T]

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Originally Posted by Goldwingfahrer

JVC HR S9850 is but the NTSC version?
JVC HR-S9800's my PAL model.
I had 3 pieces NV-HS950, all scrap

Currently on a Capture Station is a JVC HM-DR10000
A HS-1000 and the identical Pana AG4700 are here as a reserve.

You need luck to get a good recorder to

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Originally Posted by themaster1

jvc's are good for commercial tapes (i have two of them one with tbc/dnr the other not) but for old tapes (possibly worn to death) i always heard pana are better because of the separate dnr/tbc system ..more flexibility

I think whs' would be quite worn due they are 25 years old and recorded by my father

So would it be better a Pana HS 1000 for them?
Or the Jvc HM-DR 10000 is the best choice possible?

Is The Pal Panasonic NV-HS 950 newer model than NV-HS 1000?
But is The 950 worse than 1000? (Seeing a lot of keep 1000 and resell 950)
Thanks guys

[lordsmurf]

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Originally Posted by themaster1

ji always heard pana are better because of the separate dnr/tbc system

The line TBC is married to DNR on both the JVC and Panasonic.

Panasonic just has a tad less NR, but it has other caveats that make it different from JVC, and not better.

The term "DNR" is somewhat goofy to begin with, as most of the effects you see are simply line TBC in action. So a line TBC is a form of NR, visually speaking.

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Originally Posted by Luca T

Which one would you suggest? does the HM-DR 10000 worth the difference of price?

- Which one is in the best condition?
- Has the Panasonic been serviced or had caps replaced in the near past?
- Can you see some capture samples?

I realize the answers to these may not be easy to get, if at all. I want you to understand that part of buying video hardware is a gamble. While a certain model line may be better than others, the exact copy of it may be a dud. You see more Panasonic duds than JVC. But Panasonics may be better for your tape needs (ie, LP/SLP/EP modes).

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Originally Posted by latreche34

Would the JVC HR-S6970 considered good quality? It doesn't have TBC

It's not a bad deck, but it's not the best. Everything else you listed was better.

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Originally Posted by Luca T

So would it be better a Pana HS 1000 for them?
Or the Jvc HM-DR 10000 is the best choice possible?
Is The Pal Panasonic NV-HS 950 newer model than NV-HS 1000?
But is The 950 worse than 1000? (Seeing a lot of keep 1000 and resell 950)

I'm not a huge JVC D-VHS fan. I prefer the 9600+ series S-VHS decks. Or when longer play is needed, the Panasonic decks.

Is the 950 newer than the 1000? I think so, but don't hold me to it. I do know that some models were not released sequentially. Release date has never been important, so I've never committed to long-term memory. The output quality mattered most. Both are fine. Newer isn't necessarily -- just look at the JVC decks.

[lordsmurf]

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Originally Posted by Simmo10

Hi, i'm new to the forum but I've been researching this thread for a while. I hope I have posted in the right place and I wasn't meant to start a new thread.

I missed this post at the time. Oops.

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while it's playing it has some lines come up across the screen with a heavy buzzing sound.

The tape has physical damage. It was "eaten" at some point.

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I decided to buy another copy that hadn't been played to death, the new tape arrived and looked like new. I played the tape and the picture looked perfect with no lines or buzzing except now the audio sounds quiet and muffled. I noticed the video player displays differently when I put each tape in described below in the order of what happens:

Was the JVC in mono mode? Sounds like it.

[Luca T]

About the condition of the Vcr found, It seems well maintened but I can't be sure

I found a Jvc 9850eu at an accettable price, would it be a good choice?

I don't find any other 9xxx apart maybe the 9500

[lordsmurf]

The 9850EU is on the recommended list.

[Goldwingfahrer]

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The 9850EU is on the recommended list

Correctly
I was wrong
and 9850 brought out of the camp

[Luca T]

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf

The 9850EU is on the recommended list.

I saw it , but I meant if there is someone more recommended than others

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Originally Posted by Goldwingfahrer

Correctly
I was wrong and 9850 brought out of the camp

That's it

I could find at about same price of the Jvc 9850eu even a Pana NV-HS 1000
Don't know which to buy

[Orientation]

Hi, I've been surfing this site for a while now, and I went through some of the guides already, yet there are some very specific questions I'd like to do. Also, I'd like to congratulate you all, because this was really helpful as I did know nothing before I discovered the site.
Anyways, the first question I got is, what would you recommend me from these VCRs:

Panasonic NV - Fs200
Panasonic NV - Fs90
Panasonic AG-4700 S-vhs
Jvc HR-S3600EN

I know you might say the NV - FS200, because I saw it listed on the VCR Buying Guide on this site (though is the most expensive from the list, that's what's holding me back a bit), but what about the others? They all are S-Vhs VCRs right?
Why the others would not be recommended?
Regards.

[Phileholic]

What was the difference between the JVC SR-W5U and the SR-W7U?
I know the W5U didn't have a built-in tuner, but was that it?