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I understand that these are characteristics of good S-Video cables:
  • Flexible
  • 75 Ohm impedance
  • Lots of shielding (ie, a thick cable usually indicates that there is a lot of shielding inside)
  • Copper terminals are gold-platted (debatable if this is important or not, but what the heck)
I further understand that some locations (eg, apartments) have more electrical interference than others (eg, farm house).

What everyday elecrical device should I put next to my S-Video cable during an analog-to-video capture to stress-test the cable? And what should I be looking for when playing back my digitized video files to know if one cable is better than another?
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The cable is hardly the problem, unless it is cheap crap and/or damaged. Get an new old stock Monster S-Video cable and be done with it.

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
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https://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vid...an-cables.html
I would say stay away from the really thin ones. Blue jeans aren’t necessary though. I had that happen one more time with blue Jean cables and the cable just wasn’t plugged in all the way that time. It got me for a second though.
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09-30-2024, 10:42 PM
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Gooood question. I don't think flexibility really plays into it too much.

Key points I'd say are to go with the shortest cable needed for the job as there will be some signal loss the longer the cable is. It's probably minimal though. I can't see needing more than 3 foot lengths in most cases. Gold plated contacts probably don't actually matter that much, but if you can pay the same amount and get them, that's fine. I personally like the ones with round male as opposed to the "Square" pins. I feel like the square pins are more likely to stretch things out on the female plug which is harder to change than the cable itself.

The signs of a bad cable I'm told are if you see "ringing" in high contrast areas which kind of look like little echos of edges at regular intervals. Not sure how you prove that's the cable though without swapping it to a different cable and the ringing then goes away though. You have to be looking pretty close to see that though.
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10-01-2024, 04:44 AM
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A bad cable introduce more noise aswell (luma, chroma or both) , the signal-to-noise ratio is weakened, luma can be dimmer

One tool can help you

https://www.compression.ru/video/qua...ment_tool.html
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10-01-2024, 11:48 AM
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That link looks like spam to me, Did you post it?

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
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That link looks like spam to me, Did you post it?
Compression.ru may pre-date you, and I know you've been around for a while.

aka MSU, a Russian university, Moscow-something, I forget.

It is/was known for video topics, mostly compression and encoder comparisons, back "in the day" (early 00s). You may recognize MSU from several VirtualDub filters, though none of them were ever really that useful. Their own codecs failed to get adoption.

I see they're still sort of active in compression, but it seems they really dropped off when Putin invaded Ukraine, and most Russians became "as welcome as ants at a picnic". They've probably found themselves cut off from most companies and funding now. Sad.

I sure as hell wouldn't buy anything from Russia these days. Odds are high that you get nothing, and lose your money. Maybe even have your numbers/ID data stolen. No idea how old that link on their site is, for selling this tool. For example, Visa and Mastercard suspended operations back in 2022, but this page shows it's accepted. And for "only" $999! Nope, nope, nope.

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I just didn't see the relationship between S-Video cables and that link. Maybe the poster can explain better why it is relevant to the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
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10-02-2024, 07:09 PM
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This is probably something that could be posted to EEVBlog about how to easily test 75ohm coax cables for various characteristics that we'd want to know for composite or S-Video cables and signals (what waveforms to use, and whether a termination load should be used during the measurement, etc).

I think it is well established that S-Video and composite are supposed to use 75ohm cables and connectors, but you're kind of just hoping that manufacturer built those cables to spec as I doubt many of us have actually measured a cable's impedance.

There's a relatively simple way to measure cable impedance described here:
https://www.jackenhack.com/cable-imp...ow-to-measure/

Getting to see the signal on an oscilloscope or a spectrum analyzer would also show you if the cable is picking up outside frequency noise (due to poor cable shielding). For picking up stray noise, I think you could just attach the cable to the oscilloscope just on the one end and leave the other end unconnected and just cover the other end with aluminum foil so that ambient noise doesn't enter the cable there and see how close to zero volts the waveform stays. A wide or fuzzy line would suggest the cable is picking up noise and shielding of that cable may be poor.

The outside frequency noise won't be constant though since it'll depend on what kind of electrical noise is present in the environment you are using the cable in. Fluorescent lights and brushed motor vacuum cleaners used to be big ones for a variety of RF interference back in the day. Nowadays you might be more likely to get RF interference from switching power supplies or other electronics nearby.

I imagine it may be possible to just feed a square wave through multiple composite/s-video cables and then display the output simultaneously of each using different channels on an oscilloscope. The ones with the least noisy/fuzzy/wide waveforms should be the lower noise (better signal to noise ratio) cables. Square waves can also demonstrate "ringing" (signal overshoots and then undershoots) if cables and connectors are not impedance matched so that may be directly related to how much ringing you see in an actual composite video signal around sharp contrasted lines, particularly black vertical lines on a white background.



Almost sounds like another way to verify impedance of a cable would be to use a variable resistor as a load on the output side when feeding it a square wave from the other side and then turn the variable resistor until the ringing stops for the square wave (meaning impedance matching has occurred), then measure the resistance of the variable resistor that it ended up at:

https://electronics.stackexchange.co...smission-lines



That's all theoretical, so take that all with a biiiiig grain of salt since I am not an electrical engineer haha.
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