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04-10-2023, 10:23 AM
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unfortunately I am forced to try capturing the NTSC tape on PAL VCR tape. (there are no ntsc players available in europe) can you advise on the best equipment to get a digital copy on a computer.
I need Player, recorder, etc
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You can get this: https://vcrshop.com/product/vcr/vide...-ntsc-secam-4/

Isn't the best option, but it makes the job. You can get an S-video output with the SCART connector.
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If you'd like to get a unit with line TBC and DNR, your best bet would be JVC HR-S7600AM. I own one myself and I believe latreche34 owns two. It is one of the only decks that can read both 525 (NTSC) and 625 (PAL, SECAM and MESECAM) lines without any conversion. Unfortunately, those units are extremely rare and I was able to find one only by sheer luck and closely monitoring the listings. If you'll be able to find one, however, it's very well worth having in your collection. Alternatively, you can monitor the marketplace forum and see if a recommended NTSC deck pops up, but that would most likely cost you extra with all the import taxes.

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04-10-2023, 03:47 PM
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It depends how much you want to spend on it. The budget option is to a PAL VCR with NTSC Playback (most from the late 90s and newer and some ealier) + a pioneer or newer sony dvd-recorder for pass-through most of those can handle and stabilize NTSC 4.43 and PAL60 input. (NTSC 4.43 is preferable to PAL60 if available as it doesn't involve any conversion)

The TBC on PAL JVC SVHS decks and possibly some of the later Panasonic SVHS decks (does not work on NV-FS200, NV-HS1000 at the very least) work on NTSC playback (though giving PAL60 output).

Cheaper multi-system VCRs (cheaper than e.g the Samsung converting vcrs noted earlier in the thread) that do PAL + all NTSC variants incl native ntsc (aka ntsc 3.58) are somewhat common to find on the European market too which would let you use a panasonic dvd-recorder (2005 models and newer) for stabilization/tbc as those can switched to NTSC (but do not support NTSC 4.43/PAL60 like the pioneer/sony models).
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It depends how much you want to spend on it. The budget option is to a PAL VCR with NTSC Playback (most from the late 90s and newer and some ealier) + a pioneer or newer sony dvd-recorder for pass-through most of those can handle and stabilize NTSC 4.43 and PAL60 input. (NTSC 4.43 is preferable to PAL60 if available as it doesn't involve any conversion)

The TBC on PAL JVC SVHS decks and possibly some of the later Panasonic SVHS decks (does not work on NV-FS200, NV-HS1000 at the very least) work on NTSC playback (though giving PAL60 output).

Cheaper multi-system VCRs (cheaper than e.g the Samsung converting vcrs noted earlier in the thread) that do PAL + all NTSC variants incl native ntsc (aka ntsc 3.58) are somewhat common to find on the European market too which would let you use a panasonic dvd-recorder (2005 models and newer) for stabilization/tbc as those can switched to NTSC (but do not support NTSC 4.43/PAL60 like the pioneer/sony models).
If i have capture card ATI AIW/PINNACLE do I need sony/pionner dvd-recorder?
Jvc s9600 will be ok for playback?
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04-11-2023, 06:11 AM
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You do need a vcr that plays your tape correctly, once you have captured it, in digital on your pc, it does not matter if it is NTSC.
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You do need a vcr that plays your tape correctly, once you have captured it, in digital on your pc, it does not matter if it is NTSC.
it would be great. but which player available in Europe plays NTSC tape well
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04-11-2023, 09:56 AM
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If i have capture card ATI AIW/PINNACLE do I need sony/pionner dvd-recorder?
Jvc s9600 will be ok for playback?
You can try to see if it's sufficiently stable and in sync first, need to set the capture card to PAL60 mode to get correct color. If not one of the sony/pioneer dvd-recorders with pal60/ntsc 4.43 support should help with it.
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04-23-2023, 04:10 PM
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How many tapes do you have?

I have PAL and NTSC equipment, with TBC, etc in Europe, I am not a digitization service, but maybe we can arrange it in a friendly-manner.


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If you'd like to get a unit with line TBC and DNR, your best bet would be JVC HR-S7600AM. I own one myself and I believe latreche34 owns two. It is one of the only decks that can read both 525 (NTSC) and 625 (PAL, SECAM and MESECAM) lines without any conversion.
The S7600AM cannot playback SECAM in color, It's a true PAL/NTSC but not SECAM, It does playback camcorder recording that were shot in MESECAM in color, It is true that is the only S-VHS deck in history that is capable of playing back more than one standard natively without conversion and built in line TBC. JVC made other S-VHS machines that playback all standards natively but without line TBC, Other multi standard brands do exist albeit only basic VHS and no TBC such as the Samsung series.
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04-28-2023, 04:59 AM
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The S7600AM cannot playback SECAM in color, It's a true PAL/NTSC but not SECAM, It does playback camcorder recording that were shot in MESECAM in color, It is true that is the only S-VHS deck in history that is capable of playing back more than one standard natively without conversion and built in line TBC. JVC made other S-VHS machines that playback all standards natively but without line TBC, Other multi standard brands do exist albeit only basic VHS and no TBC such as the Samsung series.
I have a JVC HR S9700MS this appears to be both Secam and Pal and has line TBC?
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04-28-2023, 05:42 AM
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True SECAM was rarely recorded direct on VHS…. the tuner is SECAM but the recording the VCR makes is mostly in MESECAM.
camcorders is a different story for SECAM, you have to do specific research for any model is my guess.
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True SECAM was rarely recorded direct on VHS ... recording the VCR makes is mostly in MESECAM
Are you serious or just trolling???

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I have a JVC HR S9700MS this appears to be both Secam and Pal and has line TBC?
Yes, and it is one of the few devices having TBC active on SECAM signals (my JVC HR-S9500MS has not)

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...oo#post2686466

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True SECAM was rarely recorded direct on VHS….
No offense, but this is a very misleading statement that lacks context. A random (French) reader will say oh "X said SECAM is rarely recorded, my tapes must be PAL then". SECAM is not rare in France and French-speaking regions in EU. In fact, I have seen more SECAM in France than PAL. So no, this statement holds true only in your own experience, and your knowledge of where you live, don't phrase it as an absolute general truth.

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How is SECAM and 9700MS relevant to this discussion though? the 9700MS (even though I believe MS stand for multisystem, it is just French multisystem, not worldwide) is not exactly a worldwide VCR as it will not (according to the manual) output NTSC.

There is a discussion that is relevant though:

https://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vid...cam-vhs-2.html

I think the link lollo posted might be of interest to the subscribers of the other thread. Would you mind sharing it there? (or if I do it myself?).

Btw, there are proper manuals in pdf there with better quality containing the same content of the image you just shared.

@lollo, you say it is one "of the few", assuming 9700 and 8700 really do have TBC for SECAM and not just a mistake in the manual, what are the others, do you happen to know any? Thanks

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04-28-2023, 04:46 PM
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Like said, SECAM is not stored on the tape


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And now we pass from "rarely" to "is not stored on the tape" (ever?)

and Like I said, I have seen ALOT of SECAM recorded tapes. It depends on the VCR. To my knowledge, Many of the common VCRs in France do record SECAM on tapes. Up to you to believe it or not.

Either way, SECAM is off-topic here, feel free to open a new thread called "SECAM tapes do not exist" and we can discuss it there.
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And now we pass from "rarely" to "is not stored on the tape" (ever?)

and Like I said, I have seen ALOT of SECAM recorded tapes. It depends on the VCR. To my knowledge, Many of the common VCRs in France do record SECAM on tapes. Up to you to believe it or not.

Either way, SECAM is off-topic here, feel free to open a new thread called "SECAM tapes do not exist" and we can discuss it there.
Just read message #12 very closely, SECAM = MESECAM on tape
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@lollo, you say it is one "of the few", assuming 9700 and 8700 really do have TBC for SECAM and not just a mistake in the manual, what are the others, do you happen to know any? Thanks
No sorry; it may happen with > X700 series, like 9800, but I ignore if they were released in MS format. Better to search in a french forum

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And now we pass from "rarely" to "is not stored on the tape" (ever?)
He is joking, and confuses AM series with MS series, and French SECAM recorded on tape with MESECAM

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04-28-2023, 06:41 PM
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@lollo2, Thanks for your reply.

Yes, ofc, if 9700/8700 later gen will have it, 8800MS/9800MS do not exist, but 9850MS does exist and indeed has the same phrasing as the manual of 9700/8700, so if the hypothesis is valid for x700* is should hold for x850
(x700 where x in {8,9}, the 7700 does not have SECAM TBC only PAL, 8850MS does not have TBC at all, the 8850EU version has PAL TBC)

>Better to search in a French forum
In French forums, the barely know what a TBC is, the ones who know, do not use French forums, and/or are active here/on VH.

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I honestly can't tell if he is joking or being serious
Either way the manual of 9700MS explicitly mentions that it does record SECAM tapes. It can even receive PAL in and record it as SECAM on a Tape. Panasonic FS100 does the same.

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